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The Marine book says, under Techmarines, "For each HQ choice in your army (not including blah blah blah) you may include a Techmarine. These selections do not use up a Force Org slot."
Can I, RAW, take a SM Techmarine in my GK army, without taking any other part of an allied detachment? I will definitely have a GK HQ choice in my army.

Note that, directly above that quote, the Master of the Forge's "Lord of the Armoury" entry refers to "detachments," not "armies." So they clearly know the difference between the words.

RAW, yes, you can do that. But RAW the Sanguine Sword psychic power never ends, and Flying Monstrous Creatures don't get Relentless or Smash.

Bottom line is that I don't think it would be very reasonable to play it that way.

Good catch. I'll check the wording just to make sure I'm not talking out of my butt, but I'll add that to my 'list of RAW no one plays by.'

Yes you can, but if it's wearing a helmet it is unable to draw line of sight, and thus cannot make shooting attacks or declare assaults.

The Imperial Guard FAQ had an entry stating that units that didn't use a slot couldn't count as mandatory choices for the FOC.

Obviously, that FAQ is out of date now, and I don't think it was expressed anywhere else, but it may show up in 7th before you rush into anything.

I would say you would at least need an allied Troop unit too, the "...for each HQ in your army..." is a restriction IMO rather than an allowance to ignore other restrictions.

Though I'm confused as to why you would want to, GK can take their own techmarines (who get grenades too)?

No you can not as the Techmarine Entry is referring to Space Marine HQ choices.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Yes you can, but if it's wearing a helmet it is unable to draw line of sight, and thus cannot make shooting attacks or declare assaults.

I giggled

 DeathReaper wrote:
No you can not as the Techmarine Entry is referring to Space Marine HQ choices.

I am also wondering by what rule that is based on. It is not the GK book that offers the chance to have the techmarine, but the SM book that is not even used.

what do you mean, NAW?

there's a use for the SM techmarine. He's just only really useful in a guard army

The Techmarine is from a different codex therefore it is from an allied detachment. Do you have the mandatory 1 HQ + 2 Troops for your allies? If not, then no, you cannot take a techmarine from the SM codex to use with your GK detachment.

There are multiple rules in play there.

Of course, this *may* all change in a couple of weeks with 7th edition.

Rorschach9 wrote:
The Techmarine is from a different codex therefore it is from an allied detachment. Do you have the mandatory 1 HQ + 2 Troops for your allies? If not, then no, you cannot take a techmarine from the SM codex to use with your GK detachment.

Allies need only 1 Troop, and may have up to two Troops.

My question has nothing to do with Allies, since the Techmarine entry only specifies that it requires an HQ choice to use. Well, a Hive Tyrant is an HQ choice.
I suppose the next question would be: Can someone find somewhere, in a Codex or the BRB, that states I may not take units from another codex? Because 2 Techmarines with 3 Servitors each, in the backfield of an AM army, healing all the tanks, would be pretty great, not to mention the two bolstered pieces of terrain--all for less than 200pts!

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:
The Techmarine is from a different codex therefore it is from an allied detachment. Do you have the mandatory 1 HQ + 2 Troops for your allies? If not, then no, you cannot take a techmarine from the SM codex to use with your GK detachment.

Allies need only 1 Troop, and may have up to two Troops.

My question has nothing to do with Allies, since the Techmarine entry only specifies that it requires an HQ choice to use. Well, a Hive Tyrant is an HQ choice.
I suppose the next question would be: Can someone find somewhere, in a Codex or the BRB, that states I may not take units from another codex? Because 2 Techmarines with 3 Servitors each, in the backfield of an AM army, healing all the tanks, would be pretty great, not to mention the two bolstered pieces of terrain--all for less than 200pts!

Interesting, so my Tyranid army could take techmarines per RAW is that what you are asking\saying?

Page 109 - "All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex."

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:
The Techmarine is from a different codex therefore it is from an allied detachment. Do you have the mandatory 1 HQ + 2 Troops for your allies? If not, then no, you cannot take a techmarine from the SM codex to use with your GK detachment.

Allies need only 1 Troop, and may have up to two Troops.

Type, my mistake. Still does not change the fact that you are taking units from ANOTHER codex (= allies)

My question has nothing to do with Allies, since the Techmarine entry only specifies that it requires an HQ choice to use. Well, a Hive Tyrant is an HQ choice.
I suppose the next question would be: Can someone find somewhere, in a Codex or the BRB, that states I may not take units from another codex? Because 2 Techmarines with 3 Servitors each, in the backfield of an AM army, healing all the tanks, would be pretty great, not to mention the two bolstered pieces of terrain--all for less than 200pts!

Page 109 - "All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex."

Your question has everything to do with allies as that is the only way to take units from another codex.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Can someone find somewhere, in a Codex or the BRB, that states I may not take units from another codex?

Primary detachments, BRB page 109, first bolded sentence.

Because 2 Techmarines with 3 Servitors each, in the backfield of an AM army, healing all the tanks, would be pretty great, not to mention the two bolstered pieces of terrain--all for less than 200pts!

Techmarines can never repair AM tanks per the Rule-changing BRB FAQ. But you do know you can do exactly the same thing with Enginseers right? And 20 points cheaper coming with the power axe, and the ability to give tanks PotMS

Well, if you're choosing Astra Militarum as your Primary Detachment, then you select models from Codex: Astra Militarum. If you wish to add units from another Codex, have a read through the Allies rules. You'll find that adding units from another Codex requires that you A. obey the Allied Detachment Force Org Chart and B. obey the Allies Chart.

Adding a Techmarine obeys the Allies Chart, but not the Force Org requirement.

I think a RAW argument could be made for taking AM as primary with SM as secondary... have a total of 3 HQS (2x AM and 1x SM) which would allow for 6 Techmarines.

HIWPI... I think it's pretty straightforward that the Techmarines attach only to SM HQs. I would not play it any other way.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Page 109 - "All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex."

AHH thanks PR....

Naw wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
No you can not as the Techmarine Entry is referring to Space Marine HQ choices.

I am also wondering by what rule that is based on. It is not the GK book that offers the chance to have the techmarine, but the SM book that is not even used.

as many have said before

Primary detachments, BRB page 109, first bolded sentence.

Also, the Techmarine Entry, in the context of its own codex, is referring to Space Marine HQ choices.

DeathReaper,
While the Author most likely intended it to be Codex specific, the use of the term Your Army was a poor decision as that term means the entire thing and not just one codex....

And while it does look like you'd have to take SM Allies to get any Techmarines at all, as soon as you do have SM Allies (ie. 1 HQ and 1 Troop), you can get at least two Techs--one for the Allied HQ, and one for the Primary HQ.

Rorschach9 wrote:
The Techmarine is from a different codex therefore it is from an allied detachment. Do you have the mandatory 1 HQ + 2 Troops for your allies? If not, then no, you cannot take a techmarine from the SM codex to use with your GK detachment.

There are multiple rules in play there.

Of course, this *may* all change in a couple of weeks with 7th edition.

Yes, pretty much by the 21st this will be a discussion about whether or not this composition counts as battle-forged or unbound.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
And while it does look like you'd have to take SM Allies to get any Techmarines at all, as soon as you do have SM Allies (ie. 1 HQ and 1 Troop), you can get at least two Techs--one for the Allied HQ, and one for the Primary HQ.

That still doesn't fix them not being allowed to repair allied vehicles.
Technically if you took a marine-marine allied list you need to keep the techmarines separate as they cannot repair vehicles from the other FOC.

From the rule book FAQ:

Q: Can models from an Allied Detachment that have the ability to
repair Hull Points or Immobilised/Weapon Destroyed results from
the Vehicle Damage Table use this ability on Allied vehicles? (p112)
A: No.

Then again I guess technically it's the allied techmarine that can't repair vehicles from the main detachment. The techmarines in the main detachment can repair vehicles from the allied detachment. The restriction is only on "models from an Allied Detachment" and not from the primary detachment.

JinxDragon wrote:
DeathReaper,
While the Author most likely intended it to be Codex specific, the use of the term Your Army was a poor decision as that term means the entire thing and not just one codex....

Actually "Your Army" has two definitions.

In the Codexes they refer to "Your Army" as the one selected from that codex.

In the BRB "Your Army" is the combination of Primary and secondary detachments, and any allied or extra detachments such as The Inquisition extra detachment that may be present within the army.

Deathreaper,
The Authors use the terminology of "Codex's Army' when Restricting certain Rules to models from a specific Codex.

The strongest piece of evidence for this concept is within the Farsight Enclave Supplement, which under went errata specifically designed to replace 'Your Army' with 'A Far-sight Enclave' within certain Rules. As that is the only change they made to the Rules in question, it is really difficult to argue that the Authors intended for 'Your Army' and 'Codex's Army' to be interchangeable. One such Rule change reduced an 'Your Army' wide restriction to one Codex specific, allowing two otherwise illegal models to now be fielded within a Tau-Farsight allied combination.

In addition, the 6th ed FAQ for the Blood Angels codex altered some 'your army' rules to be codex-specific while leaving others as-is (in one case doing both on a single model's rules). That was the biggest indicator to me that 'your army' was not interchangeable with 'this codex.'