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I know it's early, and we don't know evetything about 7th, however with all this psychic & unbound talk, I wondered what army, or forces, you see as becoming the army on top of it all?

I assuming Chaos, especially heavy on uber characters and units full of psychic abilities and items.

Does this spell doom for, say, Imperial Guard, Tau, and or Necrons?

Need more information. Not enough data.

Still eldar. Their jetbikes alone are now the best troop in the game with their 48" move and the new objective secured rule. Everything scoring also doesnt hurt unkillable things like waveserpents and wraithknights.

I don't know.

From the rumors, part of me thinks the changes to Psykers might actually nerf Psychic powers.

If its true that (a) psychic powers can be countered, and (b) using psychic powers becomes a more risky endeavor, than it seems to me that Psykers might become somewhat of a liability.

Guess we'll have to wait and see how it all works out.

 spartanlegion wrote:
I know it's early, and we don't know evetything about 7th, however with all this psychic & unbound talk, I wondered what army, or forces, you see as becoming the army on top of it all?

I assuming Chaos, especially heavy on uber characters and units full of psychic abilities and items.

Does this spell doom for, say, Imperial Guard, Tau, and or Necrons?

Tau and Eldar. I am not seeing assault getting buffed as much as shooting. Snapshots at BS-2 you say? Overwatch becomes twices as effective.

Summoning daemons you say, im sure divination gets buffed to match, and if it doesnt, eldar has it's lores.

CSM is a terrible book, with terrible units that just dont work. Unless assault units no longer need grenades and transports, this will not change. CSM will still be stuck with their terrible god psykic lores, no matter what the BRB has.

Daemons might get powerful, or things might just get too random.

Space Wolves as their upcoming Codex will be fully 7th ed with no lingering conflicting ruleset.

If vehicles do get buffed I would say Imperial Guard would get up there. It depends on how they handle allies, though.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
Space Wolves as their upcoming Codex will be fully 7th ed with no lingering conflicting ruleset.

Same with Orks, BA, DA, Necrons, still some other softbacks out there too, correct?

Seems like any army that got a weakish harback 6th edition codex (CSM and Tyranids to my knowledge) will be the most screwed.

With the random objective deck I see mobile armies getting a boost. If you need to get to an objective, or issue a challenge somewhere over there, non-static armies have an edge.

Of course, Eldar are already good at this, as are SM bike lists. So I’m not sure how much this is going to impact the rankings.

We need to see the whole picture before anything gets finalized.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
Space Wolves as their upcoming Codex will be fully 7th ed with no lingering conflicting ruleset.

Especially if close combat get buffed as is being rumoured

Space Wolves really need the help right now

So, would you say for example, a Dark Eldar army with psychers and lots and lots of reavers (unbound) would make for a good army for 7th based on what we know so far?

I guess Tau will still be on top. A full riptide list is pretty brutal.

 sing your life wrote:
I guess Tau will still be on top. A full riptide list is pretty brutal.

Hard to say.

If vehicles get better, Serpent spam might come on top.

I have a strong supicion that Orks, which at least at my flgs don't sell for squat, will get a huge buff when their 7th Ed codex comes out.

It would make sense from a business perspective.

Tyranids. Tyranids will be the dominant faction. They will claim their rightful spot at the top of the metaphorical and literal food chains.

Last edition was Xeno. So this edition would be Imperial or Chaos.

Guard with SW. Psychic dominance.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Need more information. Not enough data.

I'd have to agree. For every rule we've seen so far that might help one army, there could be another rule we haven't seen that will hurt that same army.

I see space wolves getting the biggest boost, if the rumors on changes pan out to be true. But I don't see them becoming top tier.

Thousand sons with allied daemons of tzeentch. Portaglyph and daemonology. Use your aspiring sorcerers to add dice to the sorcerers daemon summons. Play up 500+ points on your opponent.

I actually like most of what I've seen, allowing my flying daemon horde to hit the table.

Do space wolves even have psychic mastery levels?

kingleir wrote:
Thousand sons with allied daemons of tzeentch. Portaglyph and daemonology. Use your aspiring sorcerers to add dice to the sorcerers daemon summons. Play up 500+ points on your opponent.

Unless there is some serious nerf to FMCs we aren't seeing I'm excited for daemons and nids. The supposed snapshots at -2bs hurts a little bit but I think the single grounding test (hopefully still 3+) at the end of the phase makes up for that. Sphess Chikin' always has a d6 re-roll up his sleeve anyway.

kingleir wrote:
Do space wolves even have psychic mastery levels?

Umm. Yes.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/Space-Wolves.pdf

With the deamonology coming out, Deamons IMHO will be the top dogs. Choas Marines will get a much needed boost from this, but will in no way make it to top tier.

With some of the rumors I've heard many of the top tier list will still remain top tier.

Tyranids will benefit the most, but will still not be top. Too armies will be Eldar and Guard, thanks to cheap Psykers and good troops. Tyranids and Tau will be 3rd and 4th, while Daemons round out the top 5. Of course, I could see Daemons going anywhere from 1-5, depending on how summoned Daemons interact with Codex Daemons. Daemons could very well be number 1 with new FMC rules and Psychic boosts.

With the buff to Flying MCs and the readjustment to the Skyfire rules, I would say Skyblight will be tough to handle.

 spartanlegion wrote:
I know it's early, and we don't know evetything about 7th, however with all this psychic & unbound talk, I wondered what army, or forces, you see as becoming the army on top of it all?

Who cares, as long as the game does not get stuck in a dull meta

Its all speculation. The biggest changes I've seen are unbound lists and rules favoring taking lots of psykers. So, I see

Tzeentch FMC spam getting even more stupid
AM Tank commander Punisher spam

Being two strong lists. As for me as a thousand sons players, I see that getting stronger but certainly still not top tier.

Thousand Sons Rubric Marines and Ripper Swarms will become the strongest units in the game.