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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 18:44:32
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
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I have been seeing a lot of different types of combi weapons. The HH variants seem to have underslung attachments while the 40k ones have over slung attachments. Which variant is better?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 18:49:54
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Underslung seems better since most of the time with a two-handed rifle your off-hand is under the barrel rather than over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 18:49:56
Subject: Re:combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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I think it is more of a case of how the sculptor or converter can fit the two darn thing together and make it look decent.
BTW, the combi weapon in the new marine tactical squad box is over, and it looks like you could easily make it swapable, so in that manner I think over is better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 18:56:38
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
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Really? I thought underslung would be better because you could attach a scope to the bolter and have a better long range aim. The attachment doesn't get in the way.
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Inquisition motto: 'They don't like it cause the emprah don't like it'
Inquisition logic: "Hundred thousand guardsmen in the area....... WHO CARES, COMMENCE EXTERMINATUS!!! the emperor shall know his own"
Inquisition excuse: "it is the emperors will"
or
"he/she was tainted by chaos" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 19:15:17
Subject: Re:combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Dakka Veteran
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Ah, well my answer was more miniature oriented, (my head was in the wrong sub-forum, sorry) but in reality, yes under would be better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 19:29:26
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Combi-bolters have no standard pattern. It's why space marines aren't allowed to make more of them (and so they're relics from old "grandfathered" in), and why CSM have them all over the place (as they have no such restrictions).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 20:10:21
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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Though given the auto senses they have built it.
Do they need to lined down the barrels perfectly given tech has 38,000 years to advance
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 20:38:56
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Huge Hierodule
United States
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I always pictured them as being somewhat like under slung grenade launchers, but they're pretty non-standard as far as design goes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 21:35:22
Subject: Re:combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
Eindhoven, Netherlands
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I currently have two converted models with combi-bolters; both are under-slung.
I think it just looks more aesthetically pleasing, and you don't need to aim as precisely with a meltagun (let alone a flamer) as you would with a bolter. Only over-slung plasma attachments make sense to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/18 18:00:09
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Over or under does not matter.
For over with a scope, the scope just needs to be adjusted for different angles.
For Grip over is better with Plasma(Vent coils shooting straight into your hand seems less than Ideal), and does not matter with everything else.
We don't know exactly how the auxiliary weapon is fired, most real-world examples(shotgun and grenade launchers) have a trigger mechanism on the attachment. But also those are detachable and not a permanent fixture of the gun. Comb weapons may very well have a selector in the grip that uses the same trigger thus negating a need for a trigger in the grip(which to be honest could still exist) or attached to the special weapon.
I personally have also used a storm bolter on my Wolfguard terminator, removed half the barrel and have a side-by-side combi plasma.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/20 21:32:34
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Personally I think combi on top, bolter on the bottom looks better.
Mainly it gives more enphasis to the special weapon and avoids looking just like a larger bolter.
The side by side also looks nice on terminators, as they have the size to accommodate the thicker weapon(and they hold it one handed)
For common combi weapons, melta, flamer, and plasma all deal with heat, so I would imagine that they would want to be away from your other hand.
Also if the special weapon is under the bolter, where does the ammo clip fit in. I suppose it could swing to the side or the special weapon could have a hole in it but it just doesnt look right to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/20 21:48:58
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Wiltshire
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Side-be-side, like the farmers would like us to
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/20 21:53:43
Subject: combi weapons: over slung or underslung?
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Dakka Veteran
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The new tactical squad box comes with a single combi-weapon, with 3 swappable tops of overslung combi-pattern additions.
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