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If a blast template is covering some models but one of those models is out of line of sight, can I still wound that model even if I don't scatter?

Yes, brb faq

Awww,
That removes one more 'unusual and best ignored on the Table Top' situation from the list of Rules that make no sense....

Just piggybacking on this question (since it's related), do wounds always go to the closest model, even if they are out of line of sight and, in fact, not even what was being targeted in the first place?

For instance, say that there's a unit of 10 Guardians behind a wall. An opposing Vindicator is able to see five, but because of its positioning, the ones behind the wall are actually closer. If the Vindicator fires at the five it can see, hits and wounds, do the wounds go to the five who were out of sight? What sort of cover would they get from being fully obscured by the shot?

(And yes, I realize that you could do the focus fire thing to go after the guys presumably not getting a cover save, but let's just assume that the firer has forgotten about that rule and did not declare that he was firing as such)

Walls typically provide a 4+ cover save. Since it's a blast the attack is a blast, yes, the five up front will take the wounds first.

100% Obscured is still more then 25%, so they would get a cover save on any Wounds lacking some other Rule to get around it.

The real fun question comes down to 'what cover save does X grant by default,' given that the book hasn't gone out of it's way to define the cover save for everything that could be placed as terrain or give us anything better then 'work it out with your opponent' when it comes to instructions on how to calculate these Saves. While I can't fault it for custom, or Unique, terrain which the Book would know nothing about, there are some within the Book which are simply... lacking. Buildings hold a place in my rage filled mind when it comes to this, they are that common a piece of terrain and yet the only instructions is 'dilapidated fortifications' have a 1 point penalty to the Cover Save. Which would be nice if there was instructions on finding out what gains a 'fortification Cover Save' to begin with, such a "Terrain Type: Building (Fortification)" flag.

It really does come down to 'talk to your opponent when placing terrain so no misunderstandings occur,' because the book has ensured such will occur.

PS:
Sorry for getting a bit side tracked, bored at work and well known screw ups within the Terrain Section still make me shake my head.

I was under the impression that you still cannot allocate wounds to something that is out of line of sight. The special rule involving blasts on models out of line-of-sight only allowed hits to them, then the wounds would still be applied to the models that are in LoS. I'm too lazy to double check my facts with the book, though.

 Leonus wrote:
I was under the impression that you still cannot allocate wounds to something that is out of line of sight. The special rule involving blasts on models out of line-of-sight only allowed hits to them, then the wounds would still be applied to the models that are in LoS. I'm too lazy to double check my facts with the book, though.

You might want to read the Warhammer 40,000 6th edition Main Rulebook FAQ, last question on the very first page.

Under blasts, the number of hits are calculated even for models out of range and out of line of sight.

It also says " wounds allocated on unit as for a normal shooting attack"

Under the shooting attack section, it says you cannot allocate wounds to models out of range or out of sight.

So basing on that, you should only be able to remove models you can see.

Milkboy, the FAQ errata that Ghaz linked to is:

Page 33 –Blast & Large Blast, Line of Sight Add to the end of the final paragraph: “Remember to keep the wounds inflicted by weapons with the Blast special rule in their own wound pool, and that wounds from this pool can be allocated to the closest model in the target unit even if it is out of sight of any models from the attacking unit”.

Ah my apologies. I checked the last question on the first page of questions. Went right past the Errata.


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