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I've had an Idea for a chapter of outcasts, forced to survive on the fringe of known space.

To counter their dwindling and possibly corrupt supply of geneseed, and with the aid of Hereteks, they would turn to heavy use of Bionics to give new recruits the strength and durability of a “true” space marine.

With the strength of bionics, mental strength of brain surgery / lobotomy / implants and power armor I don't see why they couldn't be at least on par with a proper Chapter.

What flaws aren’t I seeing here, is there some massive draw back to my super-servitors? Is there a reason a chapter HAS to have geneseed?

Any thoughts really welcome. Cheers.

I don't know, something about it seems a bit weird and not right.
Don't remember any fluff exactly but surely the Iron Hands are at the limit of what can be man/machine hybrid and not be totally corrupt and useless.
BUT go for it. There are some really heavily themed armies out here, and you can develop your existing ideas and make a really good army.
Good luck to you

On another note, if you need techmarines andor servitors for your army then check my swap shop thread, its got loads of stuff and bitz if you want it.

The Chapter must have geneseed because geneseed is what develops the human body into that of a Space Marine.

There are many things that are bio-science in origin that make a Space Marine a Space Marine, and augmetics simply cannot replicate those things.

For example, augmetic arms are much stronger than regular arms, yes. However, a Space Marine's great strength is a total-body improvement. With augmetic limbs, if the muscles in your shoulders and your spine are not equal to those in your arms, you will tear your muscles apart trying to lift things that exceed their limits while being within the augmetic limbs' capabilities... and if the weight is too great, you might just tear the augmetics right the feth off.

You could replicate the secondary heart and third lung easily enough, though the radiation-resisting skin would be right out.

Basically, you would not get Space Marines, or even approximate Space Marines, you would get, like, cheap Chinese knock-off Space Marines.

Sounds like a reasonably cool idea to me. Especially if you will have lots of visible bionics.

Pretty much what Psienesis said. You can get a race of cybernetic super-soldiers through vast amounts of augmented bionics but they will never be on the level of a Space Marine without biological enhancement in addition to those bionics.

You COULD always go for an origin that is the opposite of the Iron Hands, where instead of choosing to be heavily modified by bionics, you Chapter uses bionics to counteract failures in their geneseed that would otherwise weaken them. Make it more of a desperate measure, rather then religous dogma/obsession.

 DorfLord wrote:


I've had an Idea for a chapter of outcasts, forced to survive on the fringe of known space.

To counter their dwindling and possibly corrupt supply of geneseed, and with the aid of Hereteks, they would turn to heavy use of Bionics to give new recruits the strength and durability of a “true” space marine.

With the strength of bionics, mental strength of brain surgery / lobotomy/ implants and power armor I don't see why they couldn't be at least on par with a proper Chapter.

What flaws aren't I seeing here, is there some massive draw back to my super-servitors? Is there a reason a chapter HAS to have geneseed?

Any thoughts really welcome. Cheers.

Without geneseed they can't make new space marines - no space marine stem cells to make space marine organs for new space marines.

And I doubt lobotomy is gonna do anything good.

They did it back the Heresy for people who were too old to join the marines and everyone wanted to keep around. Kor Phareon ripped into Gulliman pretty well considering he was part machine.