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re Contemptor Mortis.

From IA:A / IA2.2 Helical Targeting Array: gains Skyfire and Interceptor if remains stationary in the movement phase

From 7RB Skyfire: Full BS vs flyers, snap shots only vs other targets

You see where I'm going with this. If the Mortis remains stationary, it has Skyfire and Interceptor and shoots at ground targets at BS1. If it does move, it does not have Skyfire and Interceptor, and shoots at ground targets at full BS.

They're going to be a bit more tricky to use...

You could always e-mail Forgeworld. They might have an update not yet released.

Well it's not unworkable, you just have to decide in the movement phase whether you're going to shoot flyers or not. It's just a bit clunky, and probably an unintended consequence of the change to Skyfire.

So if you get immobilized you can only ever snapshot at ground?
Seems weird ;-)

 GruenerT wrote:
So if you get immobilized you can only ever snapshot at ground?

Welll... yeah. That IS silly. It's going to need a FAQ.

I see a Frequently Asked Question approaching for a lot of Units using Skyfire.

 ruprecht wrote:
Well it's not unworkable, you just have to decide in the movement phase whether you're going to shoot flyers or not.

Not quite. You can't intercept non-flyers coming from reserves at full BS now.
And there's still the problem with HTA wording that's just confusing.

So yeah, FW stuff needs updates badly.

They will/should just change it to be if they remain stationary they can choose to have skyfire if they wish. Similar to how flyers can choose to have skyfire or not.

 Barrogh wrote:
You can't intercept non-flyers coming from reserves at full BS now.

Why not? The Interceptor rules doesn't say this.

Edit: Do you mean the change in Skyfire/Interceptor interaction? True, that only applies if you have both rules, but Skimmers are included as well.

bit broken RAW,

id say the intent is to give it the option of choosing to skyfire...


but RAW yeah... no moving = snap shot at ground :(

I don't have my rulebook in front of me at the moment but I thought that Interceptor specifically said you could hit Deep Striking units from reserves.

RJCarrot wrote:
I don't have my rulebook in front of me at the moment but I thought that Interceptor specifically said you could hit Deep Striking units from reserves.

No, not specifically. It says Reserve.
Deep Strike from Reserve would cover this.

But we're talking about a model with Skyfire also, so bear that in mind.

Deep strikers are considered reserves. it says so somewhere in the rules.

Deep Strike is a kind of reserves. Any weapon with Interceptor can fire at any unit coming from such kind of deploy. I don't understand why there's a discussion regarding it.

JinxDragon wrote:I see a Frequently Asked Question approaching for a lot of Units using Skyfire.

I believe they'll focus on Interceptor instead. Skyfire and Interceptor work as intended, but the new interaction between those rules made them a liability.
Icarus Lascannons, Quadguns, Mortis-Contemptor and anything else with both need FAQs

Lol. Everyone's trying to disprove a statement no one made.

Yes, due to the change in interceptor you snapfire at non-flyers coming in from reserve if you have skyfire, deep strike or not.

Official response from Forge World:

Hi,

Thank you for your email. The Helical Targeting system does take over if the Contemptor Mortis is stationary. Basically once it stops moving it reverts to it primary anti-air role, so if it is immobilised it is stuck in "Skyfire" mode. It is a little bit about background and a little bit about rule changes.

We are currently looking at what errata is required for our books due to the release of new codex's and the latest edition of the 40k rules. Once this is completed, we will release any required updates on PDF, via the downloads on our website. As this is a massive under taking it will take quite some time to complete, but we do hope to start putting some of them up in about 2 weeks time.

Good to hear.

As for deep strike / interceptor discussion, I don't quite understand why it even started. My comment was just pointing out that Contemptor Mortis can either have both Intercepror and Skyfire, or neither of them, decided by whether you moved in movement phase or not. Therefore, if you wish to acquire Interceptor rule and use it against deep striking infantry (for example), you can only do that at BS1 due to receiving Skyfire in the "full stationary package".

Thinking about it, if FW decide that they want Mortis dreads of both variations to be anti-air first and foremost, they may actually leave this part as it is, viewing intercepting ground forces as little more than a nice bonus to AA capability (and normal shooting). The only thing that explicitly needs fixing is that standing still forces you to Skyfire (see Immobilized issue).

As for other Skyfire+Interceptor platforms that got hit by the change of core rules (Quad, Hyperios, Sabre, Icarus...), it's possible that they'll be changed by errata, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it will be done in a way that will make them hit ground well again as they used to. They may remain being strictly AA, but may get point discount or something...

P.S. Just when they'll finally get tired of nerfing Contemptor Mortis?