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- 400 points armylist points cost limit
- FoC minimum requirement: 1 Troops
- no vehicle may have a combined armor rating (front + side + rear) of 34 or more
- no monstrous creatures
- Any HQ character may not have more than 2 wounds
- no models with 2+ armor and/or 3++ invulnerable saves allowed
- no Flyers
- you are only limited to 1 FoC, thus no combined or allied detachment allowed
- no mastery level 3 or higher psyker
- no malefic daemonology
- no warlord traits
- no ordnance barrage

These is my rough idea, mostly taken from older Combat Patrol rules. Thoughts and additional suggestions?

So in other words, no legal HQ selection from Tyranids. Both the Deathleaper and the Tyranid Prime have >2 wounds. I'd maybe consider changing that.

You aren't supposed to have badass HQ units.
It's a ruleset that is supposed to encourage, small skirmish armies.

 purplefood wrote:
You aren't supposed to have badass HQ units.
It's a ruleset that is supposed to encourage, small skirmish armies.

Nevermind unaware of how combat patrol FOC worked
Edit - @Sir Arun, how are going to treat necron veciles in regards to the no more than 33 armor?

 Jaceevoke wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
You aren't supposed to have badass HQ units.
It's a ruleset that is supposed to encourage, small skirmish armies.

While thats true excluding an entire army is never a good start to a fan made game variant

how is it excluding an entire army? you don't need 1 hq and 2 troops to play combat patrol

Combat patrol from 4th was never about the bad-ass HQ units, nor the vehicles. It was about the meat-and potatoes of the armies battling it out at a lower points-level.

It's hard for a lot of mainstream 40K players to think it's fun, as it eliminates the things that dominate full-scale 40K games.

Edit - @Sir Arun, how are going to treat necron veciles in regards to the no more than 33 armor?

In the same way that Necrons couldn't bring their Monoliths to play in 4th edition Combat Patrol. They had to make their foot troops do the work, and still had Destroyers, Spyders, and Wraiths, which were pretty good in such small games..

Ok then, that would leave Nids with exactly one source of synapse, from Warriors. Hooray for mono builds. Although in fairness I suppose you could choose to ignore synapse and just run genestealers and the like, if you really felt like getting killed off completely before ever arriving to cc. I guess I'll just have to come up with some alternate rules.

Hmm maybe I was overthinking the 3++ inv. ban.

Primarily it was designed to prevent storm shield Libbies

You can field Zoanthropes

Mabye have a rule where if an HQ has more than 2, it just "counts as 2" to make it easier for some armies to make it into this Combat patrol ruleset if they want to use an HQ, since it isnt a requirement to have one

If you place a limit on psykers, might as well make it level 2. level 3 is a bit in the big boy league for this level of points.

The 2 wounds on HQ characters is bad wording, some got multi-wound in non-HQ units, a troop tervigon is NOT a pretty sight in 400 points. make it a limit of 3 wounds to any unit type (3 to allow nid warriors and the likes)

You also didn't write the old limit of 3 troops, 1HQ 1FA and 1 elite and no HS-and its not even suggested in the list.
Trust me-its needed to avoid things like tau piranha MSU or some HS units dominating the low 400 point game.

Also, no artillery is a good suggestion (as the unit type, not the class), T7 is rough in these games.

Armor facing 34 I think would be better as well, to allow mid-point "tanks" like dreads and devilfishes in.

Tervigons were already covered under the "No MC" restriction. I count 16 entries out of 34 in the Tyranid codex are disallowed, taking away my only remaining option for HS (Biovores) might make me cry, but it would bring it up to a nice even half of the codex being disallowed. Armor 34 is a terrible idea. Predators, Hellhounds, Deathstrikes (lol), Exorcists, and Vindicators? I think not sir.

(Edit) Also, aren't Devilfish already only at 33 total armor? They're already fair game.

Exactly. All those tanks arent allowed. (Predators, Hellhounds, Vindicators, Hammerheads, Wave Serpents etc.)

Deathstrikes, Manticores and Basilisks are all ordnance barrage so while their armor rating may be 32, they're still not allowed. Devilfish are because well they're crap anyway.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant to respond to what BoomWolf had posted.

 Fachxphyre wrote:
Tervigons were already covered under the "No MC" restriction. I count 16 entries out of 34 in the Tyranid codex are disallowed, taking away my only remaining option for HS (Biovores) might make me cry, but it would bring it up to a nice even half of the codex being disallowed. Armor 34 is a terrible idea. Predators, Hellhounds, Deathstrikes (lol), Exorcists, and Vindicators? I think not sir.

(Edit) Also, aren't Devilfish already only at 33 total armor? They're already fair game.

Yes they are.
Seems like in my age I am forgetting even my own codex.

And yes, MC block also blocks tervigons.
Why block high-W HQs though, if non HQ high wounds ARE allowed? you still block the heavy armor after all.

30 shoota boyz
30 choppa boyz + stikkbombs +nob

You will drown under a sea of dice and grenades...have at thee

 Dylanj94 wrote:
30 shoota boyz
30 choppa boyz + stikkbombs +nob

You will drown under a sea of dice and grenades...have at thee

I see your orks, and raise you men.

2 Infantry Platoons
- 1x PCS, 1 Flamer
- 3x Infantry Section, 1 Flamer

70 men, 8 flamethrowers.

Yea, forgot to mention, this also does not have the model count limits, also a trial-and-error learn requirement of combat patrol to work.

I was thinking no Heavy Supports

Re Tyranids Synapse:
Couldn't you just have "One designated anything (highest leadership, choose amongst them if you have several of equal Leadership) has the Synapse special rule."

Sort of like how in Kill Team you have special abilities on the grunts.

- The current rules would allow a unit of decked-out nob bikers. From experience I can tell you that they completely ruin 400 point armies. Might also apply to other bike-mounted deathstars.
- I think the previous installment disallowed squadrons to prevent someone from bringing three kanz, warwalkers or vypers to ruin the party. One is fine, three aren't.
- I'd suggest banning unique characters. You don't want to face Snikrot, Corbulo or Crowe with a 400 point army.

Why block high-W HQs though, if non HQ high wounds ARE allowed? you still block the heavy armor after all.

Because most HQs sporting three or more wounds have the ability to wipe out units all by themselves (which you don't want in this format), while most 3+ wound non-character non-MC models are just sturdy regular models, like tyranid warriors or ogryns.

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Dylanj94 wrote:
30 shoota boyz
30 choppa boyz + stikkbombs +nob

You will drown under a sea of dice and grenades...have at thee

I see your orks, and raise you men.

2 Infantry Platoons
- 1x PCS, 1 Flamer
- 3x Infantry Section, 1 Flamer

70 men, 8 flamethrowers.

Call, and raised

29x gretchin 2 runtherder
29x gretchin 2 runtherder
29x gretchin 2 runtherder
19x gretchin 1 runtherder

113 men

 Dylanj94 wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Dylanj94 wrote:
30 shoota boyz
30 choppa boyz + stikkbombs +nob

You will drown under a sea of dice and grenades...have at thee

I see your orks, and raise you men.

2 Infantry Platoons
- 1x PCS, 1 Flamer
- 3x Infantry Section, 1 Flamer

70 men, 8 flamethrowers.

Call, and raised

29x gretchin 2 runtherder
29x gretchin 2 runtherder
29x gretchin 2 runtherder
19x gretchin 1 runtherder

113 men

... of which 106 will die to a stiff breeze and have a collective maximum range of 12".

You win the body count game, though

Yeah, that's frankly pretty impressive in terms of model count. Even with only taking vanilla Termagants I would max out at 100.

180 gretchin +18 runt'erds 720
2 big mek with KFF 170
9 big guns 3 kannon 6 zzap gun max ammo runts and extra crew 528

2 units of one deffkopta 70

12 points worth of spare dice

Total: 1500

the true Imperial guard paper army


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the true green tide, just imagine double FOC, or unbound gretchin hordes

Verie nice.



Although tyranids would have a tough time.

Dark Eldar would be fun with that.