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Now with the new 7th edition rules, screamerstar is heavily Nerfed because of casting limits. Do you guys think that any form of its former stupid but game breaking power can remain the same? I mean still it has grimoire and all the other things. But flickering fire is limited to one so...

It being one of the weaker stars it has definitely been overshadowed by the new Daemon builds that people who would run the Screamerstar will opt for.

The Screamerstar has changed, but it is no less broken.

Now you take only two heralds. One with the book and ML 3 casting on Tzeentch Powers or Malefic summoning either Horrors or more Screamers and the other, casting through Divination. Both on discs.

We have a Tzeentch Daemon player in my meta and his army went from great, to OBSCENE before the FAQ.

Now it's virtually unbeatable without heavy vehicles or D Weapons.

I was thinking of the two heralds giving space and pts for other stuff. Still a powerful unit. But the days of 4 FF are over. Still it leaves space for something else. And screamers are still awesome.

I never found the Screamer star to be all that unhandleable. My Flesh Hounds/Jugger Heralds beat it, and I've seen it tarpitted by White Scars. The thing that makes the Jetseers nasty is the Hit n Run from the damn Baron Sarthonyx. THAT they should've nerfed.

Now with the detachment system and Come the Apocalypse permitted, I expect Rune Priests to be in every army. And per the FAQ they don't have Force Weapons anymore but who gives a crap?! They can shut down anything on a 4+ within 24", and beyond they can Deny on rolls of 5+. Awwww yeeeeuh!

rune priest nerfed by faq'd.

Deshkar wrote:
rune priest nerfed by faq'd.

They are not nerfed actually. They replaced the wrong sentence just like they did with DE Harlequins in 6th. The sentence they replaced was his Force Weapon not the next line concerning his 4+ donk of powers.

Screamerstar was never that good anyway, just ignore it and kill everything else on the board.

I don't know if you guys had advance notice to fight them but when I played a team game with them a month ago, thank god I was on the daemons team. I don't think my primarch(Curze) could have handled them. Its really hard to stop a bunch of multi-attack ap2 2++ rerollable monsters. I am not familiar enough with them to know who all was casting spells where, but they had the caster in the star along with Fateweaver off to the side and were summoning more horrors. He devastated our GK opponent to the point where his paladin squad went after my guys to get away from the daemons and Sevatar showed Mordak(? ghost knight guy) the error of his ways. But still I looked at what my general use army had and there was nothing in my list that could do anything to them short of me bringing a superheavy with a D blast(which I know doesn't work anymore)

Budzerker wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
rune priest nerfed by faq'd.

They are not nerfed actually. They replaced the wrong sentence just like they did with DE Harlequins in 6th. The sentence they replaced was his Force Weapon not the next line concerning his 4+ donk of powers.

And you actually want to use that reasoning in a game? Sure technically you might be right, but the way the wording is it is very clear the replacement was meant for the 4+ deny the witch ability.
I reckon anyone trying to pull this off as playing RAW really needs to examine if they still understand that a game is meant to be fun for both parties playing it.

DutchSage wrote:

Budzerker wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
rune priest nerfed by faq'd.

They are not nerfed actually. They replaced the wrong sentence just like they did with DE Harlequins in 6th. The sentence they replaced was his Force Weapon not the next line concerning his 4+ donk of powers.

And you actually want to use that reasoning in a game? Sure technically you might be right, but the way the wording is it is very clear the replacement was meant for the 4+ deny the witch ability.
I reckon anyone trying to pull this off as playing RAW really needs to examine if they still understand that a game is meant to be fun for both parties playing it.

We are talking about using them to combat a ScreamerStar...so playing the game for fun went out the window before any player would have decided to bring the Rune Priest to counter it.

DutchSage wrote:

Budzerker wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
rune priest nerfed by faq'd.

They are not nerfed actually. They replaced the wrong sentence just like they did with DE Harlequins in 6th. The sentence they replaced was his Force Weapon not the next line concerning his 4+ donk of powers.

And you actually want to use that reasoning in a game? Sure technically you might be right, but the way the wording is it is very clear the replacement was meant for the 4+ deny the witch ability.
I reckon anyone trying to pull this off as playing RAW really needs to examine if they still understand that a game is meant to be fun for both parties playing it.

Fear not, the FAQ has been updated to correctly say the Forth sentence.

So no one can try and take advantage of an obvious typo

Shingen wrote:
Screamerstar was never that good anyway, just ignore it and kill everything else on the board.

Is this Gaz or Paul?. I disagree that they were not good and you never played me (except if its Gaz and that was only once when you had a Please don't use this term in this way on Dakka. Reds8n FAQ in your favor).

The screamercouncil is dead in the water in 7th Ed. The restriction of one PSA per unit kills the council as, dispite what some people think, they shooting was what gave them their most damage. The other issues they had was lack of being able to kill many units, espically during mutli assault unless your opponent let you do that, This means they would kill the main offence units in your opponents army then kill their troops. Now with everything being scoring this isnt possible to just kill troops and win.

Scriers gaze nerf is also massively bad for them, its not far under the 1 power per unit rule as again dispite what everything thinks daemon troops arent hard to kill, scriers is now basically a comms relay in regards to reserves and means your troops will either come in turn 2 / 3 or come in dribs and drabs and easily be picked off one by one. A correctly built 6th ed screamer list just will not cut it in 7th and I dont see how that will change unless they remove the one power per unit which I doubt.

Add in the fact they cannot get as many powers off as they would before, and overall the whole lists damage output has been restricted due to the warp charge dice system.

Screamercouncil could possibly work as a base for a daemon farm but again, theres no damage output in the daemonfarm at all and it needs combined arms to get the heralds into place.

My experince with screamers in 6th can be seen in my sig, having played them for just under a year.

I played a game yesterday, 1500 pts vs GK. His list was OP nonetheless but I still won him. He had a LR crusader, 2 stormravens, 2 dreadknights, a termie squad with a lvl 1 psyker plus a normal 5 man squad. I had kairos, a tzeentch DP, 4 heralds, 8 screamers, and 2x10 horrors. I played the heralds on two squads of two with 4 screamers each. Rolled bio for DP. Rolled male fix fort peach of the two heralds and div for each of the other two. I won 6 to 4 through tactical objectives and not by luck. By using cursed earth and forewarning plus grimoire on one squad I had on most things 3++ with rerolling 1s. I had two str 6 FFs, my DP got iron arm and warpspeed. I summoned 2 more tzeentch heralds and a LoC. It was a blast. Screamer counsel is not what it was but my opinion after playing it now is that it's better. Oh and FMCs are practically 100% harder to land. One question though, are the stormraven missiles with blast giving auto perils on psykers? Even if the do not wound? Oh btw I got invisibility with kairos and cast it on one MiniSCouncil. What a fun