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So, I wanted to try out some chaos stuff with my own "renegade" chapter. I wanted a fluffy list that could represent either normal marines or rebel marines, Basically, I don't want any deamon stuff as the fluff of my chapter is they are renegade, but still fighting for the Imperium.

Here is the list- I was considering getting a land raider or something else... (note, there is little to no Anti-air, as unless I grab helldrake I have little, I may take 1 helldrake, or 2, just because the game demands it :( )

Troops
Chaos lord on bike w/ Blade of Heros (Murder sword), Heroic Aura, (aura of dark glory) Mark of Tzeentch- 150
10x Chaos Space Marines w/ CCW, 2xplamsa guns, power weapon champion-205
Chaos Rhino- 35
10x Chaos Space Marines w/ CCW, 2xplamsa guns, power weapon champion-205
Chaos Rhino- 35
10x Chaos Space Marines w/ CCW, 2xplamsa guns, power weapon champion-205
Chaos Rhino- 35
10x Chaos Space Marines w/ CCW, 2xflamers, power weapon champion-185
Chaos Rhino- 35
5 havocs w/ 4 auto cannons-115
5 havocs w/ 4 auto cannons-115
6x Chaos Bikes w/ 2 melta guns- 150 w/ lord
6x Chaos Bikes w/ 2 melta guns- 150
5 chaos terminators w/ 3 power fists, 4 combi meltas, 1 reaper autocannon- 223


with this I still have some room to work with. suggest a libby? (sorcerer?)

This is an interesting list. I would want to know more about how it performs under 7th edition rules.

A few things stand out to me as items you should consider carefully.

- The murder sword - most people find this challenging. The Black Mace is used more often because it's useful against a larger number of opponents.

- 40 CSMs and Rhinos - The CSM Codex offers a lot of other units that have increased durability, firepower, close combat skills, and the like. It might be worth it to consider them over raw CSMs.

- One squad of bikers would need to have MoT in order for the CL to join them due to restrictions around marks and ICs. A squad of bikers with MoT doesn't really benefit from 6+ invulnerable. MoN or MoS might be better options.

- In terms of suggestions - forgo the terminators and get some spawn? They are pretty powerful when buffed up by a sorceror.

 techsoldaten wrote:

- One squad of bikers would need to have MoT in order for the CL to join them due to restrictions around marks and ICs. A squad of bikers with MoT doesn't really benefit from 6+ invulnerable. MoN or MoS might be better options.

The only restriction is that you can't join a squad with a different Mark. No problem (I believe) with a Marked Lord joining an unmarked unit.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

- One squad of bikers would need to have MoT in order for the CL to join them due to restrictions around marks and ICs. A squad of bikers with MoT doesn't really benefit from 6+ invulnerable. MoN or MoS might be better options.

The only restriction is that you can't join a squad with a different Mark. No problem (I believe) with a Marked Lord joining an unmarked unit.

Exactly what Voodoo_Chile said. Only restriction is conflicting marks (for example, MoT lord with MoN bikes is not allowed, MoT lord with unmarked bikes is allowed)

I like chaos marines cuz they are more tactical than tac marines......
I have about 200ish points to play with in this list a pysker sounding good.