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I will be playing an Unbound game with a friend soon. He will be spamming Deamon Princes and I will be doing the same with Farseers. Keep in mind that my friend and I are attempting to play the cheesiest game possible; I would not bring this to a casual pick-up game.
LIST 1

Autarch- Jetbike, Laser Lance, Fusion Gun, Banshee Mask, Shard of Anaris- 150 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing, RoWarding, Mantle of the Laughing God- 185 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing, RoWarding, Spirit Stone of Anath'lan- 160 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, RoWitnessing, RoWarding, Spear of Teuthlas- 155 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing, RoWarding- 145 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing, RoWarding- 145 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing, RoWarding- 145 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing- 135 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing- 135 points.
Farseer- Jetbike, Singing Spear, RoWitnessing- 135 points.

Crimson Hunter- Exarch, 2x Brightlance- 180 points.
Crimson Hunter- Exarch, 2x Brightlance- 180 points.

TOTAL- 1850 points.

The Farseers and Autarch all run together as one unit. As the Farseer with the Mantle of the Laughing God can now be joined by other ICs, the whole unit will receive Stealth, Shrouded, and Hit & Run. The Autarch is providing Fearless (via the Shard of Anaris), Assault Grenades, and the ability to always hit first (via the Banshee Mask). I will be shooting for Invisibility, Fortune, and Sactuary in that order), and with 9 Farseers, I have a good chance of getting them all.

Thoughts:
I am toying around with the idea of dropping the Mantle Farseer for a unit of Shining Spears + Exarch w/ Star Lance, Hit & Run, and Monster Hunter. I would lose 3 Warp Charges and Stealth (I am likely to have Shrouded from rolling on Telepathy), but I would gain some AP 3 in combat, Moster Hunter, and Skilled Rider. Is that a worthwhile trade?

I also thought about dropping a Farseer and including more Eldar relics in the list, such as the Firesabre and Soulshrive. Their low Strength could be offset by Hammer Hand, and would add some AP3/AP2. What do you think?

As for runes, I maxed out on RoWitnessing to insure I insure I get off the important powers. I took 6 RoWarding as I am likely to have many incomming Witchfires and Maeldictions from all the Deamon Princes. Did I go overboard?

Objective Secured



Any army with resilient troops can simple win against this army. Your list does not have the capabilities to destroy an entire enemy army.

Any enemy army that possesses durable troops will simply need to sit on a couple of the objectives and deny the rest. On Turn 5 your list must split to control objectives, which leaves it vulnerable for up to three enemy turns. Being Unbound you can only hold an objective so long as an enemy is not contesting. Any solid troops and their dedicated transports will use Objective Secured to control your objectives despite your units being within range.

A Standard Eldar force utilizing Wave Serpents or any other list with reliable troops will have absolutely no difficulties defeating this army to to mention, multiple points of failure, the possibility if DTW, and being a sitting duck the moment you split the star for the objective grab.



This list is terrible and any competent general with a competent list will pick it apart.



Now, given the premise of of playing against an equally ridiculous unbound list of nothing but Deamon Princes this list should be able to win. Kill a couple of princes and grab the objectives. It will likely prove to be a terribly unfun game. Both lists would be destroyed by a well designed Battle forged list.

 Zagman wrote:
Objective Secured



Any army with resilient troops can simple win against this army. Your list does not have the capabilities to destroy an entire enemy army.

Any enemy army that possesses durable troops will simply need to sit on a couple of the objectives and deny the rest. On Turn 5 your list must split to control objectives, which leaves it vulnerable for up to three enemy turns. Being Unbound you can only hold an objective so long as an enemy is not contesting. Any solid troops and their dedicated transports will use Objective Secured to control your objectives despite your units being within range.

A Standard Eldar force utilizing Wave Serpents or any other list with reliable troops will have absolutely no difficulties defeating this army to to mention, multiple points of failure, the possibility if DTW, and being a sitting duck the moment you split the star for the objective grab.



This list is terrible and any competent general with a competent list will pick it apart.



Now, given the premise of of playing against an equally ridiculous unbound list of nothing but Deamon Princes this list should be able to win. Kill a couple of princes and grab the objectives. It will likely prove to be a terribly unfun game. Both lists would be destroyed by a well designed Battle forged list.

Congratulations! Most of your reply is not even relevant to the context of my post, and is generally unhelpful and rude! As stated above, my friend and I are going to play a cheese game...for fun. Might be "unfun" for you, but not for us. Please take your negativity elsewhere.

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Zagman wrote:
Objective Secured



Any army with resilient troops can simple win against this army. Your list does not have the capabilities to destroy an entire enemy army.

Any enemy army that possesses durable troops will simply need to sit on a couple of the objectives and deny the rest. On Turn 5 your list must split to control objectives, which leaves it vulnerable for up to three enemy turns. Being Unbound you can only hold an objective so long as an enemy is not contesting. Any solid troops and their dedicated transports will use Objective Secured to control your objectives despite your units being within range.

A Standard Eldar force utilizing Wave Serpents or any other list with reliable troops will have absolutely no difficulties defeating this army to to mention, multiple points of failure, the possibility if DTW, and being a sitting duck the moment you split the star for the objective grab.



This list is terrible and any competent general with a competent list will pick it apart.



Now, given the premise of of playing against an equally ridiculous unbound list of nothing but Deamon Princes this list should be able to win. Kill a couple of princes and grab the objectives. It will likely prove to be a terribly unfun game. Both lists would be destroyed by a well designed Battle forged list.

Congratulations! Most of your reply is not even relevant to the context of my post, and is generally unhelpful and rude! As stated above, my friend and I are going to play a cheese game...for fun. Might be "unfun" for you, but not for us. Please take your negativity elsewhere.

A bad list is a bad list. Playing terrible and uncompetitive lists and calling them cheese is degrading to true cheese lists.

Unbound isn't cheese if it can't beat even a remotely good Battle Forged list. It's just bad. But, Unbound is there to let you do it.


I simply stated it was a terrible list from a competitive standpoint, but that is fine as your opponents list is equally terrible and you are trying to okay a ridiculous game.


IMO the title should have read, "Terrible Unbound Eldar Farseer list for Fun!" And I would have responded differently. As it stands it's a terrible list that is only good for one thing, having fun against and equally bad unbound list.

A smidgen overboard on the runes I'd say. Note for the warding that you'll have 27+d6 charge for denial, which is approximately 5 cancelled charges without assistance. I'd drop some of those and some RoW for the Firesabre. I'd can't help with Soulshrive because I don't have the rules. As for the Spears, I'd say no. He's going to try to punch first, and if he succeeds, you're boned. Plus some loss to survivability and psykic muscle makes for an all around bad concept. keep the seer.

 Zagman wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Zagman wrote:
Objective Secured



Any army with resilient troops can simple win against this army. Your list does not have the capabilities to destroy an entire enemy army.

Any enemy army that possesses durable troops will simply need to sit on a couple of the objectives and deny the rest. On Turn 5 your list must split to control objectives, which leaves it vulnerable for up to three enemy turns. Being Unbound you can only hold an objective so long as an enemy is not contesting. Any solid troops and their dedicated transports will use Objective Secured to control your objectives despite your units being within range.

A Standard Eldar force utilizing Wave Serpents or any other list with reliable troops will have absolutely no difficulties defeating this army to to mention, multiple points of failure, the possibility if DTW, and being a sitting duck the moment you split the star for the objective grab.



This list is terrible and any competent general with a competent list will pick it apart.



Now, given the premise of of playing against an equally ridiculous unbound list of nothing but Deamon Princes this list should be able to win. Kill a couple of princes and grab the objectives. It will likely prove to be a terribly unfun game. Both lists would be destroyed by a well designed Battle forged list.

Congratulations! Most of your reply is not even relevant to the context of my post, and is generally unhelpful and rude! As stated above, my friend and I are going to play a cheese game...for fun. Might be "unfun" for you, but not for us. Please take your negativity elsewhere.

A bad list is a bad list. Playing terrible and uncompetitive lists and calling them cheese is degrading to true cheese lists.

Unbound isn't cheese if it can't beat even a remotely good Battle Forged list. It's just bad. But, Unbound is there to let you do it.


I simply stated it was a terrible list from a competitive standpoint, but that is fine as your opponents list is equally terrible and you are trying to okay a ridiculous game.


IMO the title should have read, "Terrible Unbound Eldar Farseer list for Fun!" And I would have responded differently. As it stands it's a terrible list that is only good for one thing, having fun against and equally bad unbound list.

It was my thought that anyone with any measurable amount of intelligence would be able to tell this was a fun list. I'm very sorry that it was not as blatantly obvious for you as it probably is for most of the population. If you need further help comprehending, feel free to ask. Now, if you have any constructive input within that context, then feel free to share! Otherwise, as said above, please leave.








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 Will1541 wrote:
A smidgen overboard on the runes I'd say. Note for the warding that you'll have 27+d6 charge for denial, which is approximately 5 cancelled charges without assistance. I'd drop some of those and some RoW for the Firesabre. I'd can't help with Soulshrive because I don't have the rules. As for the Spears, I'd say no. He's going to try to punch first, and if he succeeds, you're boned. Plus some loss to survivability and psykic muscle makes for an all around bad concept. keep the seer.

Thanks! Thats what i was leaning towards as well as far as the RoW go. Ill try to work the Firesabre in there. Soulshrive is a S3 AP2 weapon that gains +1S for every unsaved wound it causes throughout the battle.

Soulshrive > Firesabre vs Daemon Princes then... Cristo that's nice.

It was my thought that anyone with any measurable amount of intelligence would be able to tell this was a fun list. I'm very sorry that it was not as blatantly obvious for you as it probably is for most of the population. If you need further help comprehending, feel free to ask. Now, if you have any constructive input within that context, then feel free to share! Otherwise, as said above, please leave.

Insulting my intelligence, nice move. Obviously I understood the premise of using it against the DP list, but it reads as if you actually think it's competitive. You also stated you wouldn't use it for a casual pickup game, which leaves competitive play.

I was just making it abundantly clear that it was a terrible list in a competitive sense and only good for an Unbound game.


Why do you feel the need to take criticism you allegedly don't care about so personally and insult my intelligence. I suspect you actually thought this list was "Cheesy" good with its death star shenanigans. I'm going to believe what I choose, and your insults are meaningless to me.

 Zagman wrote:

It was my thought that anyone with any measurable amount of intelligence would be able to tell this was a fun list. I'm very sorry that it was not as blatantly obvious for you as it probably is for most of the population. If you need further help comprehending, feel free to ask. Now, if you have any constructive input within that context, then feel free to share! Otherwise, as said above, please leave.

Insulting my intelligence, nice move. Obviously I understood the premise of using it against the DP list, but it reads as if you actually think it's competitive. You also stated you wouldn't use it for a casual pickup game, which leaves competitive play.

I was just making it abundantly clear that it was a terrible list in a competitive sense and only good for an Unbound game.


Why do you feel the need to take criticism you allegedly don't care about so personally and insult my intelligence. I suspect you actually thought this list was "Cheesy" good with its death star shenanigans. I'm going to believe what I choose, and your insults are meaningless to me.

I never once said this was competitive. I never even indicated that. I wouldn't bring this to a pick-up game because it would be more difficult to have a fun game with this list if you did not know your opponent very well. Please do not pretend to know my intentions when you clearly have no clue. As I said before, if you need help understanding any of this, just ask. Jumping to rash conclusions without the proper information never made anyone look too good.

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Zagman wrote:

It was my thought that anyone with any measurable amount of intelligence would be able to tell this was a fun list. I'm very sorry that it was not as blatantly obvious for you as it probably is for most of the population. If you need further help comprehending, feel free to ask. Now, if you have any constructive input within that context, then feel free to share! Otherwise, as said above, please leave.

Insulting my intelligence, nice move. Obviously I understood the premise of using it against the DP list, but it reads as if you actually think it's competitive. You also stated you wouldn't use it for a casual pickup game, which leaves competitive play.

I was just making it abundantly clear that it was a terrible list in a competitive sense and only good for an Unbound game.


Why do you feel the need to take criticism you allegedly don't care about so personally and insult my intelligence. I suspect you actually thought this list was "Cheesy" good with its death star shenanigans. I'm going to believe what I choose, and your insults are meaningless to me.

I never once said this was competitive. I never even indicated that. I wouldn't bring this to a pick-up game because it would be more difficult to have a fun game with this list if you did not know your opponent very well. Please do not pretend to know my intentions when you clearly have no clue. As I said before, if you need help understanding any of this, just ask. Jumping to rash conclusions without the proper information never made anyone look too good.

regardless of his poor form in is original post, replying in kind cause you were "provoked" does not let you win the internet, it lowers you to his level, dont do it, ignore him at the least.

so...to be "fair", lol! you didnt say it was competative directly sure, but you sure did "indicate it" yes you did indeed...

". Keep in mind that my friend and I are attempting to play the cheesiest game possible; I would not bring this to a casual pick-up game. "

In mini games cheesy means broken in a way to win the game, ESPECIALLY if its an obvious grab to win, and is not thematic or fair. When you state you would never use it in a casual game makes one think what you are attempting would be "broken" and no one would want to play it.

what you are attempting it fun for sure, a "who would win" style scenario but no where near cheese.

I would gladly play you in a casual game!

Do note you cannot use the same power twice. Your farseers are going to be rolling allot of the same powers. I would split them up into 2 different seer councils, but with baron tanking the other one.

Not sure how well this would do vs all those princes, any of your witchfires need 6s to hit them, and even then they only take 1 grounding check. I think you will lose, I say take all cimson hunters and that will make this game funny (oh and an autarch).

I would probably take a 10 man warlock unit for them to dick about it, extra table for more powers and stats boosts etc.

 kloma wrote:
I would probably take a 10 man warlock unit for them to dick about it, extra table for more powers and stats boosts etc.

Two things.
#1 nice pic
#2 I believe we're attempting to avoid a seerstar here, as it is supposed to be friendly.

At OP, You might want to cram all your Unique things onto as few people as possible. I.E. Give Mantle to the Autarch, and Soulshrive to the SSA Seer. That way you don't lose as much per death, and instead keep them all on a few untouchable characters. No challenge issues with an all Character list, and gives you extra throw away seers.

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Zagman wrote:
Objective Secured



Any army with resilient troops can simple win against this army. Your list does not have the capabilities to destroy an entire enemy army.

Any enemy army that possesses durable troops will simply need to sit on a couple of the objectives and deny the rest. On Turn 5 your list must split to control objectives, which leaves it vulnerable for up to three enemy turns. Being Unbound you can only hold an objective so long as an enemy is not contesting. Any solid troops and their dedicated transports will use Objective Secured to control your objectives despite your units being within range.

A Standard Eldar force utilizing Wave Serpents or any other list with reliable troops will have absolutely no difficulties defeating this army to to mention, multiple points of failure, the possibility if DTW, and being a sitting duck the moment you split the star for the objective grab.



This list is terrible and any competent general with a competent list will pick it apart.



Now, given the premise of of playing against an equally ridiculous unbound list of nothing but Deamon Princes this list should be able to win. Kill a couple of princes and grab the objectives. It will likely prove to be a terribly unfun game. Both lists would be destroyed by a well designed Battle forged list.

Congratulations! Most of your reply is not even relevant to the context of my post, and is generally unhelpful and rude! As stated above, my friend and I are going to play a cheese game...for fun. Might be "unfun" for you, but not for us. Please take your negativity elsewhere.

 Filch wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Zagman wrote:
Objective Secured



Any army with resilient troops can simple win against this army. Your list does not have the capabilities to destroy an entire enemy army.

Any enemy army that possesses durable troops will simply need to sit on a couple of the objectives and deny the rest. On Turn 5 your list must split to control objectives, which leaves it vulnerable for up to three enemy turns. Being Unbound you can only hold an objective so long as an enemy is not contesting. Any solid troops and their dedicated transports will use Objective Secured to control your objectives despite your units being within range.

A Standard Eldar force utilizing Wave Serpents or any other list with reliable troops will have absolutely no difficulties defeating this army to to mention, multiple points of failure, the possibility if DTW, and being a sitting duck the moment you split the star for the objective grab.



This list is terrible and any competent general with a competent list will pick it apart.



Now, given the premise of of playing against an equally ridiculous unbound list of nothing but Deamon Princes this list should be able to win. Kill a couple of princes and grab the objectives. It will likely prove to be a terribly unfun game. Both lists would be destroyed by a well designed Battle forged list.

Congratulations! Most of your reply is not even relevant to the context of my post, and is generally unhelpful and rude! As stated above, my friend and I are going to play a cheese game...for fun. Might be "unfun" for you, but not for us. Please take your negativity elsewhere.

I'm sorry... were you going to say anything with that?

First and last warning, please remember rule #1. Don't pick fights for no reason, you can offer your opinion on the list without crossing the line between opinion and dictating 'how it is'. Or using the word terrible 27 times in 4 sentences.

It's a game between friends, he said he wouldn't bring it to a pick me up, this is what they consider to be cheese. Help them tweak the list within their own context so they can play their game, don't yell at them for not playing the kind of game you would enjoy. If it isn't your cup of tea, just don't post.

Thank you -