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Quick question: Can psykers from codex: inquisition generate powers from the Malefic side of the deamonology powers in the rulebook?

I ask because the book says that Grey Knights cannot generate from the malefic side, and I was wandering if Codex:Inq is closely related enough to Codex:GK for me to be caught out.

What do you reckon Dakka? I'm quite taken by the idea of my radical Inquisitor summoning some deamons.

It is unknown. Unless of course, GW updated C: =][=.

Everyone EXCEPT Codex:GK can take Malefic Daemonology.

I see no reason why Codex:=][= wouldn't be able to.

Codex:=][= is not the same as Codex:GK. That's like saying Blood angels and Space Wolves are the same because they both use Rhinos. The fact that they share a couple of units is irrelevant.

 Kriswall wrote:
Everyone EXCEPT Codex:GK can take Malefic Daemonology.

I see no reason why Codex:=][= wouldn't be able to.

Codex:=][= is not the same as Codex:GK. That's like saying Blood angels and Space Wolves are the same because they both use Rhinos. The fact that they share a couple of units is irrelevant.

Yes, but until they update the codex, or release a FAQ, there is no way of knowing which specific models can roll on Malefic/Sanctic.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
Everyone EXCEPT Codex:GK can take Malefic Daemonology.

I see no reason why Codex:=][= wouldn't be able to.

Codex:=][= is not the same as Codex:GK. That's like saying Blood angels and Space Wolves are the same because they both use Rhinos. The fact that they share a couple of units is irrelevant.

Yes, but until they update the codex, or release a FAQ, there is no way of knowing which specific models can roll on Malefic/Sanctic.

All of them can, the rulebook says so

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
Everyone EXCEPT Codex:GK can take Malefic Daemonology.

I see no reason why Codex:=][= wouldn't be able to.

Codex:=][= is not the same as Codex:GK. That's like saying Blood angels and Space Wolves are the same because they both use Rhinos. The fact that they share a couple of units is irrelevant.

Yes, but until they update the codex, or release a FAQ, there is no way of knowing which specific models can roll on Malefic/Sanctic.

All of them can, the rulebook says so

So all Chaos Psykers can roll on Divination?
(No, that's not true)

According to the 7th edition rulebook:
"Unless otherwise stated, all Psykers, other than those belonging to the Tyranids Faction, can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline."

It does not mention anything about Codex: Inquisition in the rulebook, and as there is no FAQ for Inquisition, it is safe to say that any psyker from the Inquisition codex can roll on Malefic or Sanctic Daemonology.

 Thaanos wrote:
According to the 7th edition rulebook:
"Unless otherwise stated, all Psykers, other than those belonging to the Tyranids Faction, can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline."

The powers Inquisitors have access to is included in their codex. So it's been "otherwise stated".

 grendel083 wrote:

 Thaanos wrote:
According to the 7th edition rulebook:
"Unless otherwise stated, all Psykers, other than those belonging to the Tyranids Faction, can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline."

The powers Inquisitors have access to is included in their codex. So it's been "otherwise stated".

Lack of inclusion is not contradiction. For that BRB rule to be overridden the codex would have to specifically state a psyker does not have access to Daemonology, or state that said psyker does not 'generate powers' which would dispute the second part of that rule. Hence if the codex says they generate powers via rolling, then they may choose to roll on demonology.

The rule book specifies 'models from Codex: Grey Knights.'

So Cortez from the GK codex can't, while Cortez from Inquisition can. Hooray for logic.

Furthermore, it specifically, under the heading 'Psychic Disciplines', in that 'Forging the Narrative' box (how many of them did they need?), uses the example of an Inquisitor summoning daemons, the fluff justification being he's a radical.

 grendel083 wrote:

 Thaanos wrote:
According to the 7th edition rulebook:
"Unless otherwise stated, all Psykers, other than those belonging to the Tyranids Faction, can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline."

The powers Inquisitors have access to is included in their codex. So it's been "otherwise stated".

The codex has a listed power for the psykers in the elites slot, so they can only use the Psychic Barrage power. But since the Inquisitors themselves generate powers, they may choose to generate powers for Daemonology instead.

chanceafs wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 Thaanos wrote:
According to the 7th edition rulebook:
"Unless otherwise stated, all Psykers, other than those belonging to the Tyranids Faction, can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline."

The powers Inquisitors have access to is included in their codex. So it's been "otherwise stated".

Lack of inclusion is not contradiction.

It actually is. The BRB spells out which codex has access to what - and the individual codexes limit that further.

Semantic arguments aside, the example of an Inquisitor using the power is a pretty clear indication of RaI. I would also argue that RaW shows the same thing.

There is a blurb in the BRB that even mentions you need to note where your psyker comes from. The example they use is a daemon prince coming from the CSM codex vs. daemons codex. So, they are acknowledging that same unit could have differing psyker rules applying to it based on what codex it comes from.

So a CSM daemon prince would peril on any doubles while rolling for malefic powers while a codex: daemons would not.

I would say the same rules apply to Grey Knights and Inquisition. A GK Coteaz has access to sanctic while a INQ Coteaz does not. Also, perils rules would change accordingly.

 Green is Best! wrote:
So a CSM daemon prince would peril on any doubles while rolling for malefic powers

Why? The rules for Malefic is Perils on double if not a Psyker with the Daemon special rule.

Daemons (Codex CD) only peril on double 6's when casting malefic, can't cast sanctic.

Codex GK Only perils on double 6's when casting sanctic, can't cast malefic.

Everyone else for both perils on any doubles.

Only restrictions.

Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Daemons (Codex CD) only peril on double 6's when casting malefic, can't cast sanctic.

You might want to double-check, as I'm 100% certain that the rule is "Psykers with the Daemon special rule can manifest Malefic powers as they would any other psychic powers..."

I don't have the BRB here, but I thought it was Psykers from the codex: daemons are the ones that do not perils on any doubles.

I will check when I get home. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong though.

Has the Codex; Inquisition digital book been updated yet? I was under the impression that Errata would be included therein.

 Green is Best! wrote:
I don't have the BRB here, but I thought it was Psykers from the codex: daemons are the ones that do not perils on any doubles.

I will check when I get home. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong though.

Nope, any psyker with the daemon rule

 reiner wrote:
Has the Codex; Inquisition digital book been updated yet? I was under the impression that Errata would be included therein.

Not as of 9am PST this morning. I sent an email along to BL, asking for a timeline. I encourage EVERYONE to do the same!

Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
So Cortez from the GK codex can't, while Cortez from Inquisition can. Hooray for logic.

Furthermore, it specifically, under the heading 'Psychic Disciplines', in that 'Forging the Narrative' box (how many of them did they need?), uses the example of an Inquisitor summoning daemons, the fluff justification being he's a radical.

Although they also add the pants-on-head explanation that you should only actually give your Inquisitor Malefic powers if you and your opponent have agreed that it is fluffy to do so...

When you buy the Psychic powers card pack, it gives you a quick reference table. top of the table is Inquisition. And yes Malefic is ticked.

 cerbrus2 wrote:
When you buy the Psychic powers card pack, it gives you a quick reference table. top of the table is Inquisition. And yes Malefic is ticked.

That thing's as usefull as a trapdoor on a rowboat.

 grendel083 wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
When you buy the Psychic powers card pack, it gives you a quick reference table. top of the table is Inquisition. And yes Malefic is ticked.

That thing's as usefull as a trapdoor on a rowboat.

Don't you mean as useful as a screen door on a battleship?

 Happyjew wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
When you buy the Psychic powers card pack, it gives you a quick reference table. top of the table is Inquisition. And yes Malefic is ticked.

That thing's as usefull as a trapdoor on a rowboat.

Don't you mean as useful as a screen door on a battleship?

I mean as useful as a fork in a sugar bowl.

I could find uses for all these things!

Update:
I got an email back from Black Library. It's very depressing.

Hi,

Thank you for your reply. We are currently working on the FAQ's for the Digital supplements and will be adding them to the existing FAQ's within the next month.

Many thanks,

Stuart

Black Library Customer Services
Working Hours: Monday to Friday 9.00am to 5.30pm GMT

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Update:
I got an email back from Black Library. It's very depressing.

We are currently working on the FAQ's for the Digital supplements and will be adding them to the existing FAQ's within the next month.

How is that depressing? stating that it will be released in one month is quick for GW rules updates

Apologies, indeed any pysker with the daemon special rule. Thanks for picking that up.