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Hi all was looking for some help.

Just bought this army off Gumtree for £50


1 x Trazyn The Infinite
1 x Necron Overlord (can be used as most HQ options)
2 x Crpteks
20 x Necron Warriors
5 x Immortals
5 x Lychguard
3 x Canoptek Spyders
10 x Canoptek Scarab Swarms
1 x Monolith
and the 6th Edition Necron Codex

Just wondering what to get next to build on the army....

Depends on which way you want to go with your awesome new crons!!

do you want the flying circus? where all your warriors fall out of flying croissants

do you want and av 13 wall to protect your pretty lil metal men?
then get your barges and ghost arcs

Do you want to have the scary close combat necron army? then get yourself a destroyer lord and a heap of wraiths

each will build off the army you have which is very foot slogger style

oh you also have the despairtek and his hunters from hyperspace to pew pew out them damn mcs

Cheers, I'm quite new to playing 40K. (Got quite a few armies for modelling and painting but mainly play Fantasy atm). But always loved the Necrons and with 7th Edition thought it was the best time to get an army to play the game rather than to paint and model!

Think a Flyer and some Vehicles are definitely on my next list.

What are the Deathmarks like? And is it worth buying the Battleforce box?

Deathmarks are good against infantry and MCs. They have rapid fire "sniper rifles" (24" range), and when they arrive on the battlefield, they can mark a unit and wound them on a 2+. Deathmarks are probably still the best Elites point-for-point, and they're better now that they got the ability to score objectives.

When Deathmarks are joined by a Despairtek (Cryptek that's a Harbinger of Despair), this makes his Abyssal Staff dangerous indeed. When joined by a Destroyer Lord, its as close as you can get to an auto-hit/auto-wound unit in the codex, I think. A unit of 10 Deathmarks + Despairtek + Destroyer Lord is death incarnate against infantry and MCs.

The Battleforce box is worth it, if you want what's in the box. IIRC its a Ghost Ark, 20 Warriors, and 5 Immortals/Deathmarks, and its cheaper than what you'd pay for this stuff in individual boxes.

Best units in the current codex, in no particular order:

-Destroyer Lord
-Canoptek Wraiths
-Night Scythes
-Annihilation Barges
-Crypteks (Harbingers of Storm, Despair, and Destruction)
-Overlord on a CCB (chariots and CCBs both got new rules with 7th that look like they will make this unit top-tier, but I haven't played with it yet)

I'd normally add Warriors here to for cheapish Gauss spam, but I'm not sure how 7th Edition will play out for them. I think they'll still be really good since they're super scoring. Also, Spyders-n-Scarabs are looking pretty good now that both can score.

JChalmers wrote:
Cheers, I'm quite new to playing 40K. (Got quite a few armies for modelling and painting but mainly play Fantasy atm). But always loved the Necrons and with 7th Edition thought it was the best time to get an army to play the game rather than to paint and model!

Think a Flyer and some Vehicles are definitely on my next list.

What are the Deathmarks like? And is it worth buying the Battleforce box?

Unless the prices changed since I bought it the battleforce should be good value relative to the kits it effectively comes with.

The Annihilation Barge box is also a nice deal as it comes with a free plastic Overlord, if you buy two I'd recommend assembling one of the Overlords with a right hand from another model (say the Staff of Light from a Lord) to give yourself more WYSIWYG options and freeing up a Warscythe for kitbashing.

The Lychguard box is rather nice, not because of the Lychguard themselves (who are a bit lackluster) but because of the stupendous amount of extra bits it comes with- assemble the Lychguard with the sword and shield and you'll have 5 staves, 5 Warscythe heads, 5 Rod of the Covenant heads (which are practically identical to the Crypteks' Staves of Light), 5 blinged out Praetorian heads and a metric crapton of bling bits. I took these leftover bits and a sixth staff I had lying around and used them to kitbash 5 Crypteks out of 5 warrior bodies and a Destroyer Lord out of a regular Destroyer.

Pretty sure I saved more money off the kitbashing than the cost of the Lychguard box, and in my opinion the kitbashed ones look better than the original models (which isn't saying much- the Finecast Crypteks and Destroyer Lord upgrade kits are fairly terrible)...

 Galorian wrote:
The Lychguard box is rather nice, not because of the Lychguard themselves (who are a bit lackluster) but because of the stupendous amount of extra bits it comes with- assemble the Lychguard with the sword and shield and you'll have 5 staves, 5 Warscythe heads, 5 Rod of the Covenant heads (which are practically identical to the Crypteks' Staves of Light), 5 blinged out Praetorian heads and a metric crapton of bling bits. I took these leftover bits and a sixth staff I had lying around and used them to kitbash 5 Crypteks out of 5 warrior bodies and a Destroyer Lord out of a regular Destroyer.

Pretty sure I saved more money off the kitbashing than the cost of the Lychguard box, and in my opinion the kitbashed ones look better than the original models (which isn't saying much- the Finecast Crypteks and Destroyer Lord upgrade kits are fairly terrible)...

Hehe...me too. I think I have 3 Lords and 2 Destroyer Lords with the weapons from the Lychguard kit. I ordered some Lychguard/Warrior ebay bits to make a small army of Crypteks, but haven't gotten around to the project yet. I already got 5 of the Finecrap Cryteks (I wouldn thave bought these if I knew then what I know now conversion-wise), and they represent through color scheme each of the 5 harbingers with unique wargear. I just used the 5 MtG colors (White = Eternity, Black = Despair, Green = Transmog, Blue = Storm, Red = Destruction). I'm gonna make "disciples" with just the staves and no unique wargear that have the same color scheme as the "master" Cryptek out of the ebay bits...all in the quest for WYSIWIG (and a crapload of Crypteks). Come to think of it, I think this project was inspired by a photo of your Cryptek conversions.

To OP, a couple more $-saving tips: the Anniilation Barges don't have to have the Tesla Gun glued on...so 1 kit can give you access to the AB and the CCB. Also, for the Flyers, the Death Ray and Portal can both be easily magnetized to the gunport on the bottom of the vehicle...so 1 kit can give you access to both the Night Scythe and the Doom Scythe.

Wow cheers guys for the heads up. Think I'll get the Battleforce Box and Lychguard Box next see what I can kitbash using some of the warriors from the Battleforce and the spares from the Lychguard Box.

Then I'll follow up with the CCB and Night Scythe next month!

Note that the death rapy/stargate don't even need to be magnetized- they slot into place just fine as is and hold without glue or magnets.

Hey, good to see someone else starting good ole Crons. A few things from my perspective, Lychguard are terribly overpriced. Good, but overpriced, so you never wanna use them in any game below, like, 2000 points. Also, A Chariot for your Overlord, is like the new hype. It's extremely powerful, and fun to play. And as someone else said, Deathmarks are definitely worth looking into. Deep Strike onto the table anywhere you want, mark a target, and light it up. Annihilation Barges are one of the best/most versatile Heavy Support options you can get, I usually run 2. Also, if you plan on running a lot of shooting (i.e. Ghost Arks, lots of Warriors/immortals, Deathmarks), look into a Triarch Stalker. Gives you a much needed 36" Lascannon, and if it hits, everything else that shoots at the same target that turn becomes Twin Linked.

If you want to save a bit of cash, you can put the immortal weapons on warriors and make deathmarks from the box. Your immortals will look a bit stumpy instead of tall and proud, but you will get a lot more bang for your buck.

I would pick up a few of the CCB kits. They come with a plastic Overlord, and the Annilation barge/CCB are both great this edition.

Wraiths, are also pretty amazing. Picking up two boxes of those to make a unit of 6, is a great unit for your army.

I would also seriously consider picking up IA12:The Fall of Orpheus. It's a supplemental book by Forgeworld, that adds new fluff, units, and an army list for the Necrons.

 Sasori wrote:
I would pick up a few of the CCB kits. They come with a plastic Overlord, and the Annilation barge/CCB are both great this edition.

Wraiths, are also pretty amazing. Picking up two boxes of those to make a unit of 6, is a great unit for your army.

I would also seriously consider picking up IA12:The Fall of Orpheus. It's a supplemental book by Forgeworld, that adds new fluff, units, and an army list for the Necrons.

Quoted for Truth.

Does IA12 have the rules for Transcendant C'tan?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Does IA12 have the rules for Transcendant C'tan?

No, those rules are in the Apocalypse rulebook, or the Escalation rulebook. You would be better off purchasing the Apocalypse rulebook, from those two though.

While overcosted, lynchguard can actually make for some really good pressure relief. Put a lord with them and take warscythes and they can become surprisingly resilient and pack a pretty heavy punch. I find them fun as hell to run, but then again I don't mind the points very much. Mileage may vary.

I agree with what most other posters have said, Catacomb Command Barge/Annihilation Barge is a great kit, you either get a super-space chariot or a very nice gun platform of flexible use.

A utterly hilarious tactic (for you at least) is to plonk a Cryptek with the Despair flamer gun, which usually wounds against leadership and is AP2 (but not very useful on it's own)
However, put him in a unit of Deathmarks (5-10, but 10 is better!) and maybe add a Night Scythe (which are very good this edition I think, and look pretty sweet) and you have a unit that wounds 1 unit of your choice on 2+, gets rending sniper shots from the Deathmarks and a AP1, ignores cover flamer template from the Cryptek. If your opponent has some annoying deathstar or big Monstrous Creature (Like a Wraithknight or Riptide) you can simply put these guys within 8" and watch it burn!

If you're worried about painting them, you can either go the time honoured way of basecoating them black, paint Boltgun Metal (or is it Leadbelcher now?) then wash, or go do your own thing entirely!

imo rusty necrons look the bee's knees

@OP, forgot yo mention, and it has been hinted at here...you're going to want, either now or eventually, a Trascendent C'Tan. Its one of the best Lords of War units available, and its a complete game changer for Necrons(gives you ultra-powerful, mobile long-ranged attacks, and High Initiative CC madness, both of which are somewhat lacking in the Necron codex).

The "true GW" model comes in the big Tesseract Valut box, which is very expensive. However, any ghostly-looking model you can find of similar size will do.

A simple tweak to the above "insta-paintjob" is just to mix a metallic base like Leadbelcher with a color you like.

I used Warpainter's "Hydra Blue" and the result was a Necron Army that looks like OG Robocop. ;-)

 Inky wrote:


If you're worried about painting them, you can either go the time honoured way of basecoating them black, paint Boltgun Metal (or is it Leadbelcher now?) then wash, or go do your own thing entirely!

imo rusty necrons look the bee's knees

I prime them with Plate Mail silver from army painter, then add the detail and wash them. Works well, and is very fast. I am also horrifyingly lazy so take that as you will.

I love the Cryptek/Deathmark combo so much it is stupid. Especially if you tag the unit they mark with a Stalker first. Not to derail the thread, but if you throw a Cryptek in with the Deathmarks, can that unit Deep Strike because of the Deathmarks, or do you have to have the Cryptek join the unit at the start of the game as they deploy? I know you can throw all of them in a night scythe, which really is a great way, but I was curious about the DS ruling...

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Inky wrote:


If you're worried about painting them, you can either go the time honoured way of basecoating them black, paint Boltgun Metal (or is it Leadbelcher now?) then wash, or go do your own thing entirely!

imo rusty necrons look the bee's knees

I prime them with Plate Mail silver from army painter, then add the detail and wash them. Works well, and is very fast. I am also horrifyingly lazy so take that as you will.

I love the Cryptek/Deathmark combo so much it is stupid. Especially if you tag the unit they mark with a Stalker first. Not to derail the thread, but if you throw a Cryptek in with the Deathmarks, can that unit Deep Strike because of the Deathmarks, or do you have to have the Cryptek join the unit at the start of the game as they deploy? I know you can throw all of them in a night scythe, which really is a great way, but I was curious about the DS ruling...

"Technically" speaking, the Cryptek doesn't have DS, so it can't DS with the Deathmarks. But you can keep the Deathmarks and the Cryptek in reserves, and as they walk on the board, use the Cryptek to DS them....essentially it's the same thing, but "technically" has to be a done a different way.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Inky wrote:


If you're worried about painting them, you can either go the time honoured way of basecoating them black, paint Boltgun Metal (or is it Leadbelcher now?) then wash, or go do your own thing entirely!

imo rusty necrons look the bee's knees

I prime them with Plate Mail silver from army painter, then add the detail and wash them. Works well, and is very fast. I am also horrifyingly lazy so take that as you will.

I love the Cryptek/Deathmark combo so much it is stupid. Especially if you tag the unit they mark with a Stalker first. Not to derail the thread, but if you throw a Cryptek in with the Deathmarks, can that unit Deep Strike because of the Deathmarks, or do you have to have the Cryptek join the unit at the start of the game as they deploy? I know you can throw all of them in a night scythe, which really is a great way, but I was curious about the DS ruling...

A previous poster said about how to 'DS' them, but I'm always partial to plonking them in a scythe and have it all 'just-so'


A really funky way to paint Necrons (which is totally not what I do and I'm saying this to get more people to paint them like it...) is to basecoat black, drybrush leadbelcher, then slather everything with Typhus Corrosion, and when that dries, give everything a good going over with Ryza Rust. It's a bit longer than other methods, but end result gives you a model that really says clank.

Not entirely the same, because you'd have to spend points on the Veil of Darkness for the Cryptek.

Ah thanks!

 jasper76 wrote:
@OP, forgot yo mention, and it has been hinted at here...you're going to want, either now or eventually, a Trascendent C'Tan. Its one of the best Lords of War units available, and its a complete game changer for Necrons(gives you ultra-powerful, mobile long-ranged attacks, and High Initiative CC madness, both of which are somewhat lacking in the Necron codex).

The "true GW" model comes in the big Tesseract Valut box, which is very expensive. However, any ghostly-looking model you can find of similar size will do.

It's a great kit though- the Vault itself is one of the best plastic molds they've ever produced in terms of precision (everything fits together so perfectly I didn't bother gluing or magnetizing the outer walls to the bits that connect them to the central piece), you can effectively play them as two separate models (just measure ranges from the bit the C'tan is slotted on) and you get a bazillion scarabs, most of which you won't really need for the Vault, and those left over can be made into Scarab bases and/or kitbashed onto stuff (ever wanted to make a mindshackled "ally" detachment? Now you can make them look the part! ).

Word of warning about the Transcended C'tan however- it is considered to be a somewhat overpowered model by most people. Fellows who would have no issue playing against the Tessaract Vault often blanch at the thought of facing it.

Yeah, my wife bought me the box for Xmas, and I'm a fan of the model.

Left to my own devices, however, I would probably would've hunted down some off-brand model and use it as counts-as, but I'm a friggin cheapskate.

Can you please explain to me how the cryptec helps the deathmarks. (I am new to crons) Does his staffs shooting attack just make the unit take a ld test or does it actually use the ld value in place of the toughness value? This seems worse than just having a S8 shot.

I get that the destroyer lord gives the squad preferred enemy.

The Despairtek takes his S8 AP1 staff that wounds against leadership, right? If he joins a unit of Deathmarks, he inherits the Hunters from Hyperspace rule since he's part of a Deathmark unit.

So his S8 AP1 now no longer wounds against leadership, but wounds on a 2+. So its an auto-hit, usually against multiple models, wounding on a 2+ regardless of enemy statline, and resolved at S8 (instant death against T4), and AP1 (no Armor Saves allowed). That's why its a lethal combo.

So just ordered the Battleforce, CCB and Lychguard Boxset.

Hopefully with some luck might arrive tomorrow, if not will have it on Monday.

Cheers for all the help and tips lads.

Good luck man! Hope you enjoy.

Another great one (not sure if it's been mentioned) is that you can kinda-easily use the Praetorian staff rod things in conjunction with normal warriors (with fancy heads added) to make cheap and cheerful Crypteks