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negative nannies, Debi downers, and "Oooh no my heldrake sucks i can't play anymore" need not comment, you're to weak to play chaos!!

ok I've been play testing, using alot of proxies, a helbrute heavy walker spam list, the basics are:

be'lakor

2 helcult packs

mayhem pack

murder pack

2x maulerfiends

in my test games I've been using ml/ac on the helcults, mm/pf/hvy flamers on the mayhem packs, and plsm/ thunder hammers on the murder pack.

i put invis on the murder, and am having some pretty good success so far. i will say that there have been times i wish i had autocannons on the murderpack, mainly against flyer heavy lists. but dropping that many blasts is alot of fun too.

I'm not so sure I'm sold on the maulers, i like them, but idk if there's a better option with this list. that's what I'm asking you guys!!!

I know it's not very popular, but I like Defilers!

Sorcerer
10 cultists
10 cultists
3xdefilers
3xhellbrutes
soulginder of nurgle with phlem
hearld of nurgle, lesser
3 nurglings
Helldrake
1500
totally Battleforged

I am not sure in a battleforged game you can use as many dataslates as you have.
This list gives you more large blasts, ap3. also the option to drop a soulgrinder into your foes lines which soulgridners are a bit more survivable than the hellbrutes are.
Edit. TOTALLY forgot to add the helldrake

Oh, That looks FUN!

SlavetoDorkness
I love playing walkers.
Been wanting to field this list but i play with a fun and fluffy group and i dont want them thinking im a jerk. all those AP 3 large blasts and templates. Not marine friendly. The cleaner rules for Ordnance makes it so you can advance while laying pieplates and AC shots like mad.

As for the OP list.
you might try adding daemons since you could add a soulgrinder for anti air. They are a lot tougher than they seem and the fact that they deepstrike is pretty awesome.

The initial list doesn't have 2 troops. One helcult and two cultist squads would be better, I think.

If your friends are cool with the no limit on Allied detachments Soul Grinders are fun as hell.

I'm under the impression that the cultists from the helcults fulfill the required troops needed in a foc, same as be'lakor for the hq slot.

Woah woah, is that how it works?

Be'lakor says he counts as an HQ unit, but aside from battlefield role, formations typically are outside of the FOC entirely, right? Like you can take 6 troops AND a helcult.

I was under the impression that while some dataslates may say they take up a slot, formations did not.

yes from what i read in the data slate about the helcult, those cultists fulfill my mandatory troops in my foc.
that's how I'm playing it.

I build around the assumption of one allied, one main that most tournaments are going with but I was looking at something like this:

2x maulerfield with lash(one from allied)
2x heldrake with flamers
Typhus
2x 5 man plague marines in rhinos
3x oblit
2x oblit

Sorcerer, balestar
10x cultist

AFAIK, formations exist entirely outside the FOC. The cultists from the helcult don't fulfil the mandatory troops, because they arent part of your primary detactment.

That said, I'm also having lots of fun with chaos walkers. I'm liking chaos contemptors and blood slaughterers. Combined with soul grinders and maulerfiends, chaos really has the best of the best in terms of assault walkers. Deepstriking AV13 walkers all over the place is hilarious. My last 1500 pt list was something like

-Blind Axe Lord
-9 Berserkers in a Rhino (blood slaughterer Tax)
-10 Cultists
-Khorne Contemptor with Butcher Cannon
-Maulerfiend
-2x Blood Slaughters with Impalers (Squadron)
-Herald of Tzee
-10 Horrors
-10 Bloodletters (for icon/instrument )
-Bale Grinder

From the 7th edition rulebook:
"Formations are a special type of Detachment, ..."

So no, models in a formation are not going to fulfil the mandatory requirements for a Combined Arms / Allied Detachment because they are completely separate detachments.

Oooh ok, I'll rework it. still should be able to cram in alot of little legged killing machines.

I'll rework a list. brb!


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ok, lets try this:

CSMprimary detachment-
Be'lakor 350
cultist 50
cultist 50
heldrake, baleflamer 170
maulerfiend 125
maulerfiend 125


helcult pack:
helbrute, reaper 105
20 cultist 2x flamers 100
20 cultist 2x flamers 100

mayhem pack:
helbrute 100
helbrute 100
helbrute 100

murderpack:
helbrute reaper 105
helbrute reaper 105
helbrute reaper 105
helbrute reaper 105
helbrute reaper 105

that's 2k, thoughts?

Yep as mentioned the Helcult exists outside the FOC, sadly.

Your 2nd list looks wicked fun, zachwho, except for the upgrades on the brutes.
You seem to really like reapers and I mostly don't. It's definitely a personal thing though, and I get that you're under the points constraint.

I've found maulerfiends are awesome now, and especially good if you think that you'll be facing a daemon factory - you can assault by turn 2 (turn 1 if he goes first & summons towards you) and pick out the main warp charge generators. greater daemons fail miserably, either with -2 attacks or one smash attack that you can save against, maulerfiends are brutal now!

helbrutes are more survivable now, but their unpredictable rules are a real turn-off for me, I like to have control of my army

i wanted the reapers for hull point stripping, and some AA, should also help against hordes in theory. what suggestions would you make to their load outs??

i generally like control too, but the idea of mass amounts of helbrutes going buck wild, screams chaos to me!!

any other suggestions before i finalize the list?

on a side note, what legion would best represent this many brutes? i prefer khorne, and paint alot of red/black/gold but I'm thinking maybe iron warriors for this??

Alpha legion using all loyalist models

I just wish Warpsmiths could ride a Bike. Nothing more depressing then having a Maulerfiend get immobilized and then proceed to be ignored for the rest of the game.
A foot slogging Warpsmith just isn't up to repairing those guys if they drive ahead at 12" a turn.

Maulerfiend get immobilized and then proceed to be ignored for the rest of the game.

Ugh... this happens more often than I'd care to admit.
It's just so sad... sitting there, regenerating hull points.

 McGibs wrote:

Maulerfiend get immobilized and then proceed to be ignored for the rest of the game.

Ugh... this happens more often than I'd care to admit.
It's just so sad... sitting there, regenerating hull points.

It Will Not Die!

 Exergy wrote:

 McGibs wrote:

Maulerfiend get immobilized and then proceed to be ignored for the rest of the game.

Ugh... this happens more often than I'd care to admit.
It's just so sad... sitting there, regenerating hull points.

It Will Not Die!

Even when you want it to

Whats a hellcult pack?

I have a daemon/CSM army list for walkers. Something along the lines of

1500pt

Nurgle herald + portal glyph (optional)
10 plaguebearers
4 nurglings
1 decimator
2 slaanesh grinders
1 nurgle grinder

CSM
sorcerer
Helbrute (20pt choice of upgrades)
Cultists
Heldrake
Plague Hulk

4 soul grinders tromping around should be pretty fun. Could swap the drake for a forgefiend or maulter fiend with no issues. Decimator would run with dual claws, probably with mark of slaanesh for the extra speed and grenades.

Maulerfiends with Lasher Tendrils are also pretty hilarious to charge knights with.

In my experience one or two D weapon attacks are more than enough to kill a maulerfiend.

Though now that they just strip hull points rather than wreck on a 2+, and you get saves against the hits, it might be more feasible.