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Is anyone else surprised there has been no indication or rumors suggesting supplements/dataslates for AM? With all the different regiments, it just seems like a massive missed opportunity. Meanwhile, there are now rumors about a supplement already in the works for Orks. I'm ecstatic for Ork players, but I'm a little puzzled by GW's business strategies. There have been hundreds if not thousands of posts over fansites, reddit, rumor sites from IG players asking for regimental supplements and.....nothing?

It is a little puzzling. I would have thought that IG are second only to Space Marines for Supplement potential, and even a dataslate would have allowed them to reintroduce characters like Marbo and Al'Rahem, and people would have bought those in a flash.

 Paradigm wrote:
It is a little puzzling. I would have thought that IG are second only to Space Marines for Supplement potential, and even a dataslate would have allowed them to reintroduce characters like Marbo and Al'Rahem, and people would have bought those in a flash.

Exactly. I am still "shocked" that Marbo has been permanently removed from the codex. He was a viable choice, fun, has existing model, well liked by IG/non-IG players alike. I was certain we would see a dataslate for him but....nothing. Its very bizarre. Here is another example. We have one of the most anticipated 40K games coming out this year based on Armageddon:



You have a AM release/Ork release/BA release one right after another. All the primary combatants on Armageddon. A perfect opportunity for a Steel Legion supplement..... & nothing....

I don't have the new codex sitting infront me atm (work) but as I recall, Catachans were largely omitted from the codex. They also had several important characters removed or dramatically changed. I thought for certain we would see a supplement that would show them some love.

All in all, it just seems like some massive missed opportunities for GW.

I both want and don't want supplements. I don't think GW has made them good enough in general, and they overcharge for what they are. I do however really want more diversity for IG - I'd happily buy more supplements if they were quality products that gave well balanced and fun variety to IG playstyles.

I do find it puzzling because yeah, IG is the most common faction after SMs and there's so much potential for supplements that it's peculiar for GW to pass on a license to print money. People would throw fistfulls of money at GW for DKK, Tallarn, Tanith, Catachan supplements that were the quality of the FW ones like the DKK lists.

I think GW should do a Traitor Guard supplement.

Especially since it such a large part of the fluff.

Wouldn't even need much work rules-wise. New allies matrix, maybe access to mark and god specific psykers powers from CSM...

D

I wouldn't worry about that they keep them to pad their books for this year...that and to increase sales after the surge caused by codex realease will go back to normal.

 Yonan wrote:
I both want and don't want supplements. I don't think GW has made them good enough in general, and they overcharge for what they are. I do however really want more diversity for IG - I'd happily buy more supplements if they were quality products that gave well balanced and fun variety to IG playstyles.

I do find it puzzling because yeah, IG is the most common faction after SMs and there's so much potential for supplements that it's peculiar for GW to pass on a license to print money. People would throw fistfulls of money at GW for DKK, Tallarn, Tanith, Catachan supplements that were the quality of the FW ones like the DKK lists.

Frankly I feel like IG and many other factions fit better with supplements. The SM codex already generally represents the chapters that are big bar making a new random chapter out of nowhere. But IG? CSM? Eldar? Orks? There's far more potential there.

Then again they'll just make there lazy supplements.


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Commissar Benny wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It is a little puzzling. I would have thought that IG are second only to Space Marines for Supplement potential, and even a dataslate would have allowed them to reintroduce characters like Marbo and Al'Rahem, and people would have bought those in a flash.

Exactly. I am still "shocked" that Marbo has been permanently removed from the codex. He was a viable choice, fun, has existing model, well liked by IG/non-IG players alike. I was certain we would see a dataslate for him but....nothing. Its very bizarre. Here is another example. We have one of the most anticipated 40K games coming out this year based on Armageddon:



You have a AM release/Ork release/BA release one right after another. All the primary combatants on Armageddon. A perfect opportunity for a Steel Legion supplement..... & nothing....

I don't have the new codex sitting infront me atm (work) but as I recall, Catachans were largely omitted from the codex. They also had several important characters removed or dramatically changed. I thought for certain we would see a supplement that would show them some love.

All in all, it just seems like some massive missed opportunities for GW.

Catachans actually still have a decent amount of sections. If you want to look for stuff gutted, look at any regiment that isn't Cadian or Catachan.

I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Cadians: stubborn
Catachans: stealth (forests), move through cover


I don't know what the others would get. Just thought it would be that way.

 martin74 wrote:
I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Jesus H. Christ. Vanilla Marines get this and all of a sudden everybody wants them.

If it goes one more edition where they forget that Cadians arent the only regiment (with some Catachans sprinkled on top) then thats it for me. Im so glad im the only Guard player here so i can pretend my guys are unique haha.

While I hate supplements as they are now they have huge potential and as usual it was wasted. Especially in terms of the imperial guard. Annoys me to no end.

 Wilytank wrote:

 martin74 wrote:
I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Jesus H. Christ. Vanilla Marines get this and all of a sudden everybody wants them.

Sorry this is all OT

Eldar "Chapter Tactics"

Iyanden: We too dead for this - Allows Yriel, and doubles number of Wraithguard per squad.

Alaitoc: We hate the path - Must take at least 1 unit of rangers.

Saim-Hann: We ride Jetbikes - Must take at least 1 unit of Windrider Jetbikes, and every unit able to take a wave serpent must do so.

Ulthwe: We walk the witch path - Allows Eldrad, must take at least 3 warlocks. Guardians become better.

Biel-Tan: We have a lot of warriors - Must include units of aspect warriors.

 Wilytank wrote:

 martin74 wrote:
I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Jesus H. Christ. Vanilla Marines get this and all of a sudden everybody wants them.

You're facepalm this? IG had doctrines before the new SM dex in what, the 4th ed codex?

They seem to have lost the fun that used to be the Catachan codex, or Steel Legion chapter approved, or regimental doctrines.

 Wilytank wrote:

 martin74 wrote:
I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Jesus H. Christ. Vanilla Marines get this and all of a sudden everybody wants them.

Yeah, what's the deal with that? It's like it's an excellent way to represent the internal distinctions in a faction with tremendous variations on a basic theme or something. Why would people want that for the ALMOST EVERY FACTION that that describes?

 Wilytank wrote:

 martin74 wrote:
I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Jesus H. Christ. Vanilla Marines get this and all of a sudden everybody wants them.

Except IG and CSM both had "Chapter Tactics" in some form before SM. It works very easily for the vast majority of the factions that already came designed with several groups. Look at IG with the prominent regiments, CSM with the legions and top warband, Eldar with the big craftworlds, Orks with the klans. It's been there, ripped out and shoved back in. That and people want it because the supplements GW is currently releasing are rather lazy

Maybe there will be one soon. I mean chaos just got a recent one with the Crimson Slaughter and they were the first book out.

The greatly increased pace of supplements and dataslates was motivated by one simple factor IMO.
GW knew that their sales-numbers were crummy, and they had to do something drastic to make them look decent at the end of the financial year.

Now we are past that point.

This wasn't IMO due to any great feelings towards the end-users, but simply due to GW thinking; "The smelly geeks will buy anything we release, so release a lot of stuff...."

Steelmage99 wrote:
The greatly increased pace of supplements and dataslates was motivated by one simple factor IMO.
GW knew that their sales-numbers were crummy, and they had to do something drastic to make them look decent at the end of the financial year.

Now we are past that point.

This wasn't IMO due to any great feelings towards the end-users, but simply due to GW thinking; "The smelly geeks will buy anything we release, so release a lot of stuff...."

Lets be fair, regardless of how much it costs, the dataslates are by and large optional. It is the playerbase who purchases them (or 'obtains' them) so it's not just down to that. If geedubs made the dataslates necessary to play the game, things would be a lot different.

 Wilytank wrote:

 martin74 wrote:
I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Jesus H. Christ. Vanilla Marines get this and all of a sudden everybody wants them.

Truth be told IG had those too. They were called doctrines and you could modify your IG list by taking them.

 Timmy149 wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 martin74 wrote:
I was expecting something similar to the SM chapter tactics.

Jesus H. Christ. Vanilla Marines get this and all of a sudden everybody wants them.

Sorry this is all OT

Eldar "Chapter Tactics"

Iyanden: We too dead for this - Allows Yriel, and doubles number of Wraithguard per squad.

Alaitoc: We hate the path - Must take at least 1 unit of rangers.

Saim-Hann: We ride Jetbikes - Must take at least 1 unit of Windrider Jetbikes, and every unit able to take a wave serpent must do so.

Ulthwe: We walk the witch path - Allows Eldrad, must take at least 3 warlocks. Guardians become better.

Biel-Tan: We have a lot of warriors - Must include units of aspect warriors.

Back in the day GW did exactly this with the Craftworlds codex. Anybody remember Iyanna Ariennal and Nuadhu Fireheart? I hate it when special characters are axed.

That was the general gist of what I was saying. Hasn't one of them been added in the Iyanden supp?