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Deadshane, my blood pressure went down considerably once I used the Ignore button on Stelek.

I recommend that we all use this button and can continue this and other discussions in peace.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Ozymandias wrote:Deadshane, my blood pressure went down considerably once I used the Ignore button on Stelek.

I recommend that we all use this button and can continue this and other discussions in peace.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Why ignore him?

If you put him on ignore you miss out on peices of discussion where people put him in his place. (not saying thats what I just did)

Besides, I cannot be coerced by one such as him. I dont get angry with internet tough guys. Working in a jail with murderers, gangers, rapists and plain 'ol idiots gives me plenty of patience. If he makes me mad I'll just go into work tomorrow and headbutt some kid-toucher!

Your Taking a Witch Hunter Inq. Lord and Demon Hunter Inq. Lord that equal's the two HQ's you can take. duh..

Yea, I just double checked my codexes and the errata on the sites, and not only are the Inquisitors in question labeled as "0-1 Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor Lord" and "0-1 Ordo Malleus Inquisitor Lord" not "Inquisitor Lord" only, there is no mention of them at all in the FAQs. (I did learn that Mancatchers now affect everyone who is engaged with the model, not just base to base, so it wasn't a wasted trip.) Given that both have different titles similar to Scout Marine Squad and Tactical Marine Squad, I see no reason why they can not both be taken.

As a side note, I looked at both Inquisitor Lord special characters as well, and no where in the Codex or the Errata did I see any mention of them counting or not counting as Lords in their respective Ordos. Whether Captain Angry Chair can then be taken with a O.H. Inquisitor Lord is I suppose questionable, though again, his type is not "Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor Lord" so I would be inclined to say it is fine.

More on topic though, it is sort of wierd to see a WH list without Faith, or Seraphim for that matter. I am wondering if you are going to go with so little faith if it would not be more cost efficient to use storm troopers with plasma guns instead of Sisters? It might not make a great deal of difference, but it might let you put a few more GKs on the board, or maybe just a few more bodies in general. Without running the actual numbers, you might save enough points to replace 2 of the Familiers in each Inq squad with Acolytes with storm bolters or something.

It's not just the title its the fact that the rules say you can.

Witch hunters can take Demon Hunter Allies and thats a allied choice.

Done there should be no more aguring and Stelek looks like your wrong.

You sure do troll my posts alot.

No i dont this is'nt your post i'm just answering a question.

That you disagreed with when it's in the Codexes in plain english. And i was just poking fun that you were wrong chill out.

I dont troll i just disagree with you on some points.
And think its dumb that you talk down to people. Cause you feel superior for winning 10 years in a row. And i do ask you question's.

I've liked some of your ideas here and there and thanked ya here an there.

And btw if you are a Tactical genuis join the Army or Marines and defeat the world lol.J/K

I suggest you go with two 5-man grey knight troops squads naked at 150pts a pop. I have found their strength to be the WS 5 and str 6 cc weapons. You pay a lot of points for that and lose those abilities when they sit and shoot the psycannons. I think you'll kill more Orks if you shoot them with storm bolters and assault them with your better stats.

To keep the Orks honest, I would agree that a Vindicare is a better assassin. He will remove the powerfists from squads as the Grey Knights go in to assault them.

5 Grey Knights can be a load to deal with on their own. It's the str 6 power weapon of the Justicar that is the real power in the unit. Once again he is not optimized if the unit sits back and shoots psycannons. You already pay the points for him, use him.

Give anyone you can the Holocaust power. That also works well against horde armies.

Tarval wrote:Do you have a theme?

I thought about this last night as I drove for 6 hours through the CA/AZ desert.

I really like the idea of 2 Inq Lords with their retinues and allies going forward to do battle.

DarthDiggler wrote:I suggest you go with two 5-man grey knight troops squads naked at 150pts a pop. I have found their strength to be the WS 5 and str 6 cc weapons. You pay a lot of points for that and lose those abilities when they sit and shoot the psycannons. I think you'll kill more Orks if you shoot them with storm bolters and assault them with your better stats.

To keep the Orks honest, I would agree that a Vindicare is a better assassin. He will remove the powerfists from squads as the Grey Knights go in to assault them.

5 Grey Knights can be a load to deal with on their own. It's the str 6 power weapon of the Justicar that is the real power in the unit. Once again he is not optimized if the unit sits back and shoots psycannons. You already pay the points for him, use him.

Give anyone you can the Holocaust power. That also works well against horde armies.

I thought about Holocause for the Inq Lord, but he will not live long enough in 5th addition assault rules to use it. Grey Knight terminators on the other hand...

I do not want naked GK because I have to out shoot other armies as well. So I need them for Mech armies and to help down marines. Of course if I run into a demon army I think they will be valuble.

Although GK psycannons are some-what static, they are assault 18" so I can move a bit with them.

As far as I see it, the fact that Inq Lord special characters do not use up the 0-1 Inq Lord slot is there when you want to take 2 DH Inq Lords in a DH army, or 2 WH Inq Lords in a WH army, not for the situation in this case with allies having 1 DH and 1 WH Lord. Though again, I could be off.

Wherkind:

Yea, I just double checked my codexes and the errata on the sites, and not only are the Inquisitors in question labeled as "0-1 Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor Lord" and "0-1 Ordo Malleus Inquisitor Lord" not "Inquisitor Lord" only, there is no mention of them at all in the FAQs. (I did learn that Mancatchers now affect everyone who is engaged with the model, not just base to base, so it wasn't a wasted trip.) Given that both have different titles similar to Scout Marine Squad and Tactical Marine Squad, I see no reason why they can not both be taken.

QFT.

If a GT ruling or FAQ changes it, fair enough, but as far as RAW goes, there's clearly no problem.

I was mildly bemused that my OFFICIAL LICENSED INTERACTIVE ARMY LIST BUILDER from GW does not even list the Ordo Inquisitor as a Daemonhunter Choice! Yes, I've updated it with the patches.

Otherwise, I thought that the IAL might actually have answered the question, since when I hit the Witchhunters 4.0 with Daemonhunters Allies buttons the Ordo Inq. appears as an HQ choice for the army, but only Daemonhunter Inq. Lords appear in the allied section, no Daemonhunter Ordo Lord.

All the special characters appear as well.

I want my money back....

That is a different roll entirely. Seize the initiative roll is not a roll for first turn, since who gets first turn has already been established. Like I said, currently by RAW, it looks like Tarot is obsolete...unless they FAQ it.

Capt K

Stelek wrote:The tarot does allow you to sieze on a 5+, I believe Karuthors.

My codexes are in AZ, but doesn't Tarot give you a +1 on the dice roll to go first?

There is still the dice roll to go first, it's just deployment after that is what has changed.

The roll now is for table setup and the choice to go first. It isn't a roll to go first like the Tarot wording has. The RAW reading of it makes it obsolete..until GW FAQ's it.

Capt K

My codexes are in AZ, but doesn't Tarot give you a +1 on the dice roll to go first?

There is still the dice roll to go first, it's just deployment after that is what has changed.

The roll now is for table setup and the choice to go first. It isn't a roll to go first like the Tarot wording has. The RAW reading of it makes it obsolete..until GW FAQ's it.

Capt K

Deadshane1, I think you're breaking rule #1, I'm not saying you are, but it's just what I think.

See how ridiculous that sounds? Please keep the personal insults out of posts. They're honestly not needed.

Because of this nifty "shooting through units granting a cover save to the unit being targeted" thing... Would you want to consider some IG conscripts to give the cover save to your Inq's? The bodies may help AND you could also pick up some IG HW squads.

Just athought... for my $, an army lead by an inquisitor just has to have inducted guard.

ender502

Grey_death, I disagree and I think Stelek is the one that has broken rule #1.

I would go so far as to say Stelek sits atop a throne made from the bones of thousands of Rules #1. :-P Deadshane wasn't too polite either though. Being passive agressive doesn't help. Perhaps it isn't my place to say though.

I don't know abotu the Tarot either... but since it doesn't exactly have to get modeled (how would you?) it can be popped on and off depending on the ruling.

What do you think of the storm troopers? I was considering a similar sort of thing for an alternate list.

The way I understand it, the tarot will get you +1 to see who deploys first (and goes first) and/or a bonus to the initiative roll.

The WH item also sees some usefulness. Yes, you deploy first (or second) and you deploy...there.

Or they'll be nerfed to nothing given how good they are for how little they cost.

Ender you cannot have conscripts in a DH or WH army.

Sorry.

whitedragon wrote:Grey_death, I disagree and I think Stelek is the one that has broken rule #1.

This thread has tread the fine line between insulting one another subtly and actually trying to get to the bottom of a question.

But by stating that another user is an arrogant idiot, you're EASILY breaking the rules. I just wanted to remind folks that personal insults are not the way to make a poster or discussion go away.

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And let's take the "Can you take Dual Inquisitors" debate to YMDC. Feel free to post a synopsis of the arguments here, over there.

But by stating that another user is an arrogant idiot, you're EASILY breaking the rules.

...and I never did that. I simply stated an opinion, at worst I'm guilty of derailing this thread a bit. As a matter of fact, when I posted the reply in question, I made absolutely sure that it was clearly my opinion that I was trying to convey.

I wouldnt want to question your moderation judgement, however, you cannot accuse me of any sort of name calling here. You're inflating the seriousness of what I've posted.

I saw your initial comment on this and understand that there is a fine line I'm treading, but we should leave it at that. I'm not commenting any more on Stelek at this time as a result of your initial post. That should be enough said on the subject.

Stelek wrote:Ender you cannot have conscripts in a DH or WH army.

Sorry.

I meant regular IG not the army entry "conscripts." I probably should have said "press-ganged IG."

ender502

ender502 wrote:

Stelek wrote:Ender you cannot have conscripts in a DH or WH army.

Sorry.

I meant regular IG not the army entry "conscripts." I probably should have said "press-ganged IG."

ender502

That is what I was thinking as well. just have your compulsory platoon and AF along with your CP, and then the 2 allied inquisitors.

The way I understand it, the tarot will get you +1 to see who deploys first (and goes first) and/or a bonus to the initiative roll.

The WH item also sees some usefulness. Yes, you deploy first (or second) and you deploy...there.

You could argue it that way, but that isn't how it is written in the description of what Tarot does. So by RAW, it is obsolete...unless they FAQ it.

Or they'll be nerfed to nothing given how good they are for how little they cost.

Well they definitely need to be FAQ'd that's for sure. Because right now, they don't work with 5th edition.

Capt K

As quoted by grey_death;
"But by stating that another user is an arrogant idiot, you're EASILY breaking the rules. I just wanted to remind folks that personal insults are not the way to make a poster or discussion go away."

Ok then what is the best way to make a poster go away? Please advise.

Darrian

Keep calling them an idiot, however subtly you might think you're doing it, and get yourself banned (but that also does other things).

Or use the ignore button.

Please, use either option.

If calling people idiots got people banned, someone would have been banned along time ago.