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Mahu's posts to me sound Calm and sincere. Also the fact that GFB got ultra defensive as soon as people started to question seems to prove the point in hand from Mahu's first post.

Not takeing sides, just pointing out what I see in this thread.

At any rate, Your BR was written well for once. Congrats!

Mahu wrote:
Please do not confuse a "cheap shot" with a genuine experience. The OP had a very good report with everyone in the tournament with the exception of yourself and I am not the only one with a bad experience.

He was scored by three opponents as their least favorite opponent and the fourth opponent as their third least favorite opponent. I don't see how you can justify your claim solely on what the OP told you.

In regards to our games why don't start another thread and we can discuss them there. I have many issues with how you played but will defer from mentioning them here.

G

Meaning it was someone other than you, your opponent, or a judge? Since you won't "out" them?

I mean, that would be enough for me to zero your sports score right there, if that's what happened. Armchair coaching in a tournament game is totally out of bounds.

I am making no judgment about the OP other then what he and other posters have said about you.

Maybe he was less then upstanding in his games, I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that I can understand his frustration, as I have experienced it myself, and I am not the only poster in this thread to say so as well.

As far as your own personal issues with me and the specifics of that, we can discuss those over PM's. You are free to post anything here that you wish. It is only fair to get both sides of the story.

But I am sure that there would be few other posters that have any complaints about me in games.

I will go out and apologize in advance about any issues that I may have caused in our games. I am sure in the heat of the moment, I may have overstepped my bounds, and we all get things wrong sometimes.

Hahahaha

Sourclams ITT

I find that hilarious.

I spoke with the TO and he said he will reply here later this evening. I am not going to reply again until after he has spoken. I would like to ask that we keep this thread on track. I have no problem if people want to start another thread and entitle it Tell Us All About Your Most Horrid Experiences Having to Play GBF.

G

In other words you got your buddy the TO to post something up, is that it? Cause thats what it sounds like.

jp400, please keep it civil.

Whatever report comes from the TO, is how it was. I would also like to hear reports from other non-WC posters as well, for fairness sake.

I can't say that I'm perfect at making a losing experience for someone enjoyable... some people have that talent, and I'm afraid I'm not one of them. I AM always civil, and I NEVER cheat on purpose. Whats the point of winning if you cheat? I also make it a point not to make fun of a person I'm beating, or even point out that they're losing. I consider myself a pretty reasonable gamer, and I've won enough 'best overall' tournaments that I don't think that people in general would disagree with that.

I'm a pretty easy-going guy, and I get along with most people, even if I don't like them. That doesn't neccessarily translate into me getting ranked as people's #1 favorite player in a tournament. If I lose a game, of couse I'll be more inclined not to give them the highest score, even if they're nice guys. Most people operate the same way. I'm not saying thats the ONLY reason people in this tournament docked me, but I'm sure it was a factor.

I WON'T write a battle report slandering someone else unless it was pretty drastic. Usually I just don't say anything about them. The fact that I said 'least favorite EVER' should clue people in to how badly I hated that game. That being said, I wasn't trying to dis the WC, or give them a bad rep, I was honestly just writing a battle report. You can read my other ones (lots more of them on Warseer). They don't have any slander at all. I didn't even realize that you posted here.

I didn't want to post anymore about it, but the fact that you're attacking my character when such isn't warranted, and that you won't even answer an easy question like 'did you check to make sure his deployment was within 12"?' to people who are genuinely curious and making it a point NOT to attack you should prove your guilt anyways.

I've gotten a FEW PMs since I posted this batrep last night, telling me about shady dealings with you when you were in South Carolina, and how you were even kicked out of a few gaming stores' tournament scene.

As a sidenote, where did you get the sportsmanship info? Were the tournament results posted somewhere?

I'm torn. As I live in Denver and my best friend is in the Springs, I'm intensely curious about any tourney I might be able to make it to. There is a distinct lack of competative play where I live.

However, with all the penis posturing that is apparently goes on at a relatively low key event like this...I'm not sure its worth the bother.

Shotgun wrote:However, with all the penis posturing that is apparently goes on at a relatively low key event like this...I'm not sure its worth the bother.

Don't let someone else's bad experience at a tourney discourage you from going. You'll get the occasional bad opponent. It happens. I've had miserable games against some gamers, and have had friends have great games against them. I've played some people that have a rep for being difficult, and have had a great game. I've played good friends and had a bad game against them. It happens.

I played in the TT against GBF and another WC a few years ago. GBF was fine, we had a bad game with his buddy. And the other half of our team had a great game against their two opponents. Personally, I'd play GBF again.

Also consider, these are guys at the top tables who are very competitive. I'm fine with that. But, I usually lose enough games to be in the loser bracket, and generally have a better time with the other guys that are just pushing plastic around, rolling dice, and making rat-a-tat-tat sounds.

Xaereth wrote:I was honestly just writing a battle report.

Considering this thread makes up 3 of your 8 posts here on Dakka.................

Shotgun wrote:I'm torn. As I live in Denver and my best friend is in the Springs, I'm intensely curious about any tourney I might be able to make it to. There is a distinct lack of competative play where I live.

However, with all the penis posturing that is apparently goes on at a relatively low key event like this...I'm not sure its worth the bother.

Which area of denver are you playing in where there is no competative play?

I don't know if I would rate this one as low key. It was "advertised" as the most intense rt experience and people were generally expected to bring hardcore from all the chatter I heard about it. Most of the rt's at Gamers Haven are a bit more laid back.

PanamaG wrote:Considering this thread makes up 3 of your 8 posts here on Dakka.................

Post count should be irrelevent, as long as the posts are understandable and semi-eloquent, why should it matter? Blatant classism as far as Im concerned.
Everyone else, continue yonder argument. Heres mud in your eye(s)!

(Also, help a dude out, is OP short for "Other Person"?

Cheers

Warmaster wrote:I don't know if I would rate this one as low key. It was "advertised" as the most intense rt experience and people were generally expected to bring hardcore from all the chatter I heard about it. Most of the rt's at Gamers Haven are a bit more laid back.

I'm surprised they even had soft scores then.

Yeah, Shotgun. Where are you? I can name a couple of places around the Denver/Westminster/Boulder/Longmont area that there's plenty of fun, laid back play happening...


(OP is Original Poster)

Malnourished wrote:

PanamaG wrote:Considering this thread makes up 3 of your 8 posts here on Dakka.................

Post count should be irrelevent, as long as the posts are understandable and semi-eloquent, why should it matter? Blatant classism as far as Im concerned.
Everyone else, continue yonder argument. Heres mud in your eye(s)!

(Also, help a dude out, is OP short for "Other Person"?

Cheers

You greatly misunderstood!

It has NOTHING to do with "class" or status. What I am saying is that this is obviously not "just another battle report." He obviously doesnt spend much time on Dakka to begin with, so he has gone out of his way to come here and post this report.

And OP means original poster

Eh, I doubt that. He did put a lot of effort into his type up, and it's coherent and an enjoyable read overall.

It's only the personalities involve that make this a page 3 ordeal.

Hey everyone, I was the TO

let me say what happened from my point.

For starters, I didn't watch all of Steve and Adams game. What I can say of it was there was an issue at the end of the game. The issue was that Steve wanted to charge a unit, and as he began moving, Adam said he had to roll difficult terrain. The question was whether or not Steve declared the tank as his primary before or after he rolled the difficult terrain check. Nothing about distance ever came up.

As for the sportsmanship scores, Adam's were consistent. he in no way got tanked. He received lowest marks in 3 games and third lowest in 1. The way the system worked was you had to list your opponents from favorite to least.

Steve however did receive better scores but not by much.

Also, neither Steve nor Kenny gave Tulio top Marks.

Adam deservingly received best general but was leaps and bounds away from overall. Tulio blew him away in sports, painting and theme. And there was one other player with higher overall marks as well.

Overall, everyone seemed to have a good time, and I received comments of the best RTT people have played in. Both Adam and Steve had difficulties wit their opponents, and the sportsmanship scores reflected this.

To accuse of cheating is wrong as we all make mistakes, it just seemed that more were made by one of these two than most.

[i]edited for spelling

I just find it funny how its always the "them and not me" anytime someone has an issue with GBF.

*grabs popcorn*

Darkness wrote:
For starters, I didn't watch all of Steve and Adams game. What I can say of it was there was an issue at the end of the game. The issue was that Steve wanted to charge a unit, and as he began moving, Adam said he had to roll difficult terrain. The question was wheter or not Steve declared the tank as his primary before or after he rolled the difficult terrain check. Nothing about distance ever came up.

Do you have any comment on the time delaying issue? That seems to be the one that was a real game changer.

Overall, everyone seemed to have a good time, and I recieved comments of the best RTT people have played in.

Congratulations on a well run RTT. I do hope your future events are as successful.

I didn't watch the game, however I did have two other TO's who are bot very good 40k players, and both did watch this game, and the only comments I recieved was it must be intense since the time thinking was alot, and both players were familiar with the army. I can not say if slow play was being done or not.

Well I for one appreciate the candor Darkness.

Seems to me two guys with fairly similar gaming personalities had to play against each other, and sparks flew. I hope both players come away from this and do a bit of self reflection instead of blaming the guy across the table.

For the record..

The issue was that Steve wanted to charge a unit, and as he began moving, Adam said he had to roll difficult terrain. The question was whether or not Steve declared the tank as his primary before or after he rolled the difficult terrain check.

the rulebook is pretty clear, you would roll DT after declaring the main unit you are charging. You declare, then move and rolling DT is part of moving.

Adam obviously knows the rules very well for Blood Angels and he has stated here he has won some best overalls. Sure the issue with granting his Grey Knights furious charge and preferred enemy could very well be a mistake on his part but then again he knows the rules well enough to question at what point in a turn does Dante confer preferred enemy to friendly BA units. I missed it myself and only found out about it after discussing the merits of taking a unit of Grey Knights on another forum.

I have never lived in South Carolina nor played one game in that state, much less ever been banned from any store. To me the batreps posted here was primarily intended as an attack on my character and veiled as batreps. The batreps were well written but there was a lot of negative content leveled at me and my club. I think it's pretty obvious a lot of people know he was referring to me. To say you'll never play someone again because of a bad gaming experience is an extremely strong statement. Adam said he felt he was chipmunked but he only played two members from my club out of four games but still ended up with the lowest score for sportsmanship. Obviously the two people he played that are not a member of my club felt the same about our games versus him. The TO is also a member of my club and I think his reply was legit. I do know that Tulio, who won best overall, picked me as his second favorite opponent and our game ended with a solid draw. It was my first game versus Tulio... It was a very exciting match and I thoroughly enjoyed the game. Often it is a natural response to ding an opponent on soft scores when you lose... I can say that I am not in that camp. I understand that Adam was vexed about losing our game and there was the issues with Dante and the last turn charge. I also realize that Adam is a competitive player and understands the rules for BA well, so do I and we both apparently made mistakes. Up until this match I have never been called on how I use Dante and it's basically a non issue since I keep both Dante and Corbulo in the center of my army... You can read my post on force bubble tactica over on the 40k tactics forum if you are interested to see how I play the army. It's easy to keep the two characters central since Dante has a jump pack and Corbulo is in a transport. I also understand that BA are not a popular army and a lot of people are not familiar with their rules. For instance OCE must always be rolled and does not automatically work for rhinos.

Anyways that is all I have left to say in this thread. Cheers! : )

G

Wow, you guys take a game of toy soldiers WAAAY seriously.

Toxxic wrote:Wow, you guys take a game of toy soldiers WAAAY seriously.

Dude this is Dakka. We are very serious here (stifles a laugh)


For toy soldiers

for victory!

FOR DAKKA!!!






Edit: Its been fun but I'd better close. Please feel free to continue the discussions offline.

And hey hey hey! lets be careful out there