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I have and will never cheat intentionally if I find out I've cheated then I apologise and offer a rematch but that probably would'nt work in tornemonts but I was doing a game at the planetstrike release at games workshop and was the only one expected to cheat everyone else just rolled and said and then I failed an armour save and nearly got thrown out because noone saw it

Oh and I forgot that I was the youngest one yhere at 13

frgsinwntr wrote:

on another note, other people from their club, Army of salvation, did the same thing to my other friends at the same tourny... I just kinda hope they weren't doing it on purpose... I have more faith in people then that

sorry... was just informed by another friend their club cheated like this (sportsmanship dinging/forgetting rules) at the conflict GT also....

See this would be an example to me of systamatic cheating it sounds as if these people conspired to do what they did. One question where were the touney judges during all this??

I still don't understand why there's a question at all. I just can't stand cheaters.

Well I cant stand honest people so there.

Hollismason wrote:Well I cant stand honest people so there.

Well, at least your honest about it. Wrap your head around that one!

lol, no seriosly cheating is bad. Don't stoop to thier level.

Matt, the tourny organizer said "if thats what they feel you deserve..."

pretty much didn't care.

Needless to say, they won't be getting any money from my group at their store

...they encouraged cheating?
Matt=Dipstick.

Never got the point of cheating. It's a game. If you can't take loosing then go play some Dawn of War on easy. The last time I saw someone cheating it cost them quite a lot. It was a wierd ass round robin style tournament. It was your job to get more matches, each win earned a point, guy with the most points at the end of two days won.

Well, my first game was with a Tyranid player who was being beardier than your average Dwarf. It was 300 points at his request, giving me a Captain with some upgrades and two five man Marine Squads. He took a ton of gaunts...all with without number, of course...and some Warriors as his HQ. He then split the Warrior Squad into three to lead his Guant squads. I didn't know that was cheating at the time.

I managed to kill off two of his Warriors and three of his Guant Squads before Without Number finally swamped my marines. He then announces he won because killing off his Warriors didn't count unless I killed all of them. His whining started drawing everyone in the shop over, and people tried to explain he was cheating, which caused more whining. I said that was fine, we all make mistakes (despite the number of fudged measuresments and roles hidden behind a building, the number of times he demanded I re-rolled because he didn't see them when they were in the middle of the board) but we'd treat them like the Guard's platoons, which meant since they were split up they counted as kill points. More whining.

Eventually he announced, 'Right, it's a draw.' I was busy playing my second match at this point and just went, 'Fine, whatever, leave me the hell alone.' The shop minion came up after my second match and told me, 'So that's one win and one loss for you Jon?' as I stared at him blankly, and explained.

Shop monkey went over and watched him playing another opponent, a young kid who was absoloutely brilliant at both playing and painting. And eventually publically blasted cheating boy. So, while he speant the next two days trying to get more games, no one wanted to play. He was bottom.

Karma: Makes you her bitch.

It's threads like this that make me hate this game, and lose faith in humanity in general. The fact that some people would stoop so low as to intentionally cheat with fething plastic toys.

Anyway, no, I never intentionally cheat. I've made mistakes and apparently I interpret rules differently than some people do, but that's the extent of it.

Same as Sidstyler for me, though I guess I'm lucky no-one at my FLGS (that I know of) cheats.

Jon Garrett wrote:
Karma: Makes you her bitch.

LOL! Quote for Fething Truth!

Sidstyler wrote:It's threads like this that make me hate this game, and lose faith in humanity in general.

Oh please, get some perspective. This is a thread about cheating, so of course you're only going to hear the worst stories. It's like how the newspaper reports, 'Four people die on the commute into Washington D.C. every day!' Instead of '399,996 people don't die everyday commuting into D.C!'

I thought I never cheat, but then I realized I did in my last game.

The master of ordnance was deployed right behind a pillar, so he couldn't see squat. I forgot to move him in the secnd turn movement phase, so when he cam to shoot I kinda wriggled him around the post (only 1/2" your honour) so he could see the enemy. My opponent saw this though, and didn't say anything.

Maybe that's because I didn't say anything the week before when his dreadnought assaulted the turn it arrived in a drop pod.

eh, it WAZ an honest mistake thier, but you should of ASKED him, Kaptin Montag. If he said no, well to bad for you. (he's in the right) but if he said yes or nothing then your conscience would have been clearer.

Bookwrack wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:It's threads like this that make me hate this game, and lose faith in humanity in general.

Oh please, get some perspective. This is a thread about cheating, so of course you're only going to hear the worst stories. It's like how the newspaper reports, 'Four people die on the commute into Washington D.C. every day!' Instead of '399,996 people don't die everyday commuting into D.C!'

Yeah.You never hear about the cat who was stuck in a tree.You hear about the cashier at McDonalds who shot 4 people and then turned the weapon on himself. So even if you feel like humanity is going to hell well then your an emo.

Well im an honest player and do not like to cheat ever. Mistakes are mistakes evryone makes them i makethem too, i just hope my opponent sptos them out for me so i can correct it properly.

I like to be honest about this kind of stuff, although it may be fun to fudge points and laugh all through the game while I destroy my friends. I might try that soon.

Unless your hardcore and play lots of games you wont know the rules that well. When this happens like to me I cheat, but its ignorance and laziness. Sometimes I also zombie out.. I once move some infantry 12 inches by accident.. The guy got really upset.. Thought I did it on purpose.. If I was gonna cheat on purpose it would be subtle you fool I just had a brain freeze.

I also pretty much let my opponent play what they think unless I KNOW its wrong..

I never cheat on purpose, but when I move guys the guys in the back of the squad seem to move more than 6", while the guys up front move the normal distance.

I abhor cheating. It's a game, and is meant to be fun, although I also enjoy the competitive aspect of it quite a bit. If I am to lose, I take the loss because I probably made a mistake and only in losing will I remember not to do it again. It even irks me when people suggest I take things back when I note a mistake I made during a friendly game. I screwed up, I can deal with it haha, I'm just letting it be known that I realize that I did and hopefully won't do so again.

Cheaters make me absolutely sick though. While games such as this ultimately bring out the competitive side in people, they are games first and foremost and are played to be enjoyed. Any time someone cheats they are playing on that expectation of fun inherent in the game and using it against their opponent, in order to get some odd sense of satisfaction out of it. If you can't win the game the way it is meant to be played, why play at all.

Reminds me of a time I was at Gencon playing in the L5R (Its a CCG) finals tourney. Was quite a few years back, 2002 I want to say, and there was a guy playing in the tournament who happened to be blind. He had braille on all of his card sleeves and played with his decks in card boxes so he could draw out of them more easily and not knock his decks over. It was pretty inspiring to see someone going to extreme efforts to enjoy a hobby I also enjoyed, even with an obstacle in their way, and reminded me of the general good spirited player base of L5R in general, as his opponents would have to accommodate him a bit more than regular opponents by explaining all their moves out loud so he could keep up with the action on the other side of the table, yet none had problems doing so. Being a nice parable on cheating I'm sure you've all assumed already that someone was caught cheating in cards on a blind guy, but sadly that was not the case, although I'm not quite sure which situation is worse. It actually turned out that the way the blind guy shuffled and such with the braille, he could read card names as he went and stacked his deck, and I believe there was also something fishy with the way he drew from his boxes and was able to top deck/bottom deck draw or some such nonsense, either way, he was caught cheating in a big way. It turned what was a really inspiring and feel-good sight into something that I'm still not quite sure how to react to, and goes to show that it can come from even the most unlikely of places.

Just don't cheat kids, I promise you the urgency of the moment that is pushing you towards doing so will fade, and you'll feel awful about doing it later.

Captain Fabulous wrote:I abhor cheating. It's a game, and is meant to be fun, although I also enjoy the competitive aspect of it quite a bit. If I am to lose, I take the loss because I probably made a mistake and only in losing will I remember not to do it again. It even irks me when people suggest I take things back when I note a mistake I made during a friendly game. I screwed up, I can deal with it haha, I'm just letting it be known that I realize that I did and hopefully won't do so again.

Cheaters make me absolutely sick though. While games such as this ultimately bring out the competitive side in people, they are games first and foremost and are played to be enjoyed. Any time someone cheats they are playing on that expectation of fun inherent in the game and using it against their opponent, in order to get some odd sense of satisfaction out of it. If you can't win the game the way it is meant to be played, why play at all.

Reminds me of a time I was at Gencon playing in the L5R (Its a CCG) finals tourney. Was quite a few years back, 2002 I want to say, and there was a guy playing in the tournament who happened to be blind. He had braille on all of his card sleeves and played with his decks in card boxes so he could draw out of them more easily and not knock his decks over. It was pretty inspiring to see someone going to extreme efforts to enjoy a hobby I also enjoyed, even with an obstacle in their way, and reminded me of the general good spirited player base of L5R in general, as his opponents would have to accommodate him a bit more than regular opponents by explaining all their moves out loud so he could keep up with the action on the other side of the table, yet none had problems doing so. Being a nice parable on cheating I'm sure you've all assumed already that someone was caught cheating in cards on a blind guy, but sadly that was not the case, although I'm not quite sure which situation is worse. It actually turned out that the way the blind guy shuffled and such with the braille, he could read card names as he went and stacked his deck, and I believe there was also something fishy with the way he drew from his boxes and was able to top deck/bottom deck draw or some such nonsense, either way, he was caught cheating in a big way. It turned what was a really inspiring and feel-good sight into something that I'm still not quite sure how to react to, and goes to show that it can come from even the most unlikely of places.

Just don't cheat kids, I promise you the urgency of the moment that is pushing you towards doing so will fade, and you'll feel awful about doing it later.

That is a sad storry it makes me want to give the blind guy excuses for his actions. But when I think of all the people I have worked with that had disabilities and how hard they worked and how good of people they are I think to myself no he was an A-hole that intentionaly cheated. I'm glad they caught him even though it was so uninspirational.

High Commissar Biffsmack wrote: I like to be honest about this kind of stuff, although it may be fun to fudge points and laugh all through the game while I destroy my friends. I might try that soon.

Dude! I'm totally going to try that I know a guy who ran his Necrons against me for a good few months without adding the cost of his Lords wargear to his total. I didn't realize he hadn't been adding it til I was helping him with a tournament list and he was like "Wait, it says he gets up to 100 points of gear? Isn't that free?" Next game I'm just going to throw two more Rhinos with squads on the board and see if he calls it We'll have a good laugh either way.

I've been tempted to do this a while back but I didn't. But I'll tell you anyway what was tempted to do was to swap the weapons of my dread around (thats why you should never glue the weapons on) to match my opponents setup during the setup of the models. I wish I did now as it was quite a close victory to me.

I'll just feel bad if I cheat. But to avoid any problems I have my army books with me and my points list. I do all of my dice rolls right in front of my opponent that way there will be no issues. Since I'm a female I had some people try to take advange of me I guess because I play 13th company and they go "You can do that? With wulfen?"

So is a nudge a cheat is spliting the diference in your favor wrong? When you move troops do they all move the proper distance because I know plenty of players that measure once for their jumppack troops and then moove them all too within assault range? What chaps my arse is the way the same people will then act all indignant.

A Necromancer appears!

Use tread lock!

The only kind of cheating i ever do is putting down the monolith.

I lol'd.

Personally, I think if you're going to cheat you shouldn't be playing.