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NO but i have made mistakes

lol, when i first started playing some kid tryed telling me his Eldar HQ unit had a 2+ invunrable save. I let him get away with it, because he was losing, really badly. it was a game with like 6 players, and a Guard player was beating the gak out him.
but i have to confess, i've done the front to back measuring a couple times.
same with Jhon "I generally play "tight", but have a tendency to occasionally "nudge" in my favor when rushed or hurried."

I intentionally cheated in one game about 6 years ago at a Fantasy tournament. It involved a break test and the guy forgot what the mod to my leadership was. I had already rolled for my test and I would have failed, but I told him my leadership was one higher than it was. I ended up winning the game, but I felt like a total scum bag afterwards. Since then if I have made mistake in a game I immediately inform my opponent and if it is something we can fix then we do. Otherwise I make sure that we talk it out.

Now if somebody is doing whatever they feel like in a game (i.e. picking up dice without counting, measuring funky, etc...) I try to not follow suit, but if I feel somebody is being dishonest with me I use my 'Gee-willickers I'm a newbie' voice and try to get them to explain what they are doing. Works like a charm.

Cheating intentionally in any way shape or form is ultimately cheating yourself.

GoFenris wrote:

I see what you did there.

LunaHound wrote:
Cheating intentionally in any way shape or form is ultimately cheating yourself.

Yup.

But I'm also OK to play very, very "fast and loose" with the rules and measurements if my opponent starts us down that road...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Cheating intentionally in any way shape or form is ultimately cheating yourself.

Yup.

But I'm also OK to play very, very "fast and loose" with the rules and measurements if my opponent starts us down that road...

Summary: Yes, but not really

A common thing I do if a dice I rolled is hidden, is i place my finger on the side of it and slide it across until visible.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Cheating intentionally in any way shape or form is ultimately cheating yourself.

Yup.

But I'm also OK to play very, very "fast and loose" with the rules and measurements if my opponent starts us down that road...

Summary: Yes, but not really

Nah, more of a "when in Rome..." approach, as not everybody wants to play a "tight", technical game.

If they want to play loose, then I'm OK with that, too.

OldPeculiar wrote:I always try and avoid cheating and give my opponent the benefit of the doubt if there's some debate - however mistakes do happen

Movement is the biggest area for me that stretches the rules - it's just too painful to measure every ork in a 30 strong mob, especially if they're going round a corner. Normaly I measure the front one and the back one then sort of move the rest between in approximatly the same formation, this can result in a certain amount of 'shuffling' in the pack though, especially where terrain gets in the way

I play Orks too and I never considered that to be cheating. When I move vehicles, I put the tape measure down, move the vehicle up the tape measure (on top of it) then tilt the vehicle on its side to get my tape measure out. When I move boyz, I measure the front one the same way, then sort of just fill all the boyz behind in; it would take FAR too long to move them all individually. 'Ard Boyz, 2.5 hours and we'd get through...turn 2 maybe? =p

I totally had been cheating my opponents when I gave my SGT of my Assault Squad a combiflamer. I was so ashamed.

I would never knowingly cheat, I just can't stand it, and I honestly feel that if you "win" by cheating, you've actually only admitted defeat. I'm still a noob though so I make honest mistakes sometimes, but I warn my opponents before hand and ask them to correct me so it won't happen again.

I've only played against one person so far that cheated... he started off playing fairly by everything I could tell, but when he started losing he started with the rules lawyering and his terminators started miraculously moving 2-3 extra inches to get in range on a charge...

I do wonder, do you get upset when you roll a really important roll well (damage table or to hit with something) and the dice is just SLIGHTLY cocked, and your opponeent then demands that you re-roll.

Becuase they seem to ignore the slightly cocked FAILED ones.

The best way we work it out in the club is if you can balance a dice on top of the orginal cocked dice then it counts. I HATE it when people demand a re-roll if the dice lands perfectly flat down, but BOUNCED off something.

(Anything that falls off the table is re-rolled though, club rule)

GoFenris wrote:

AAAAH! Nice.

Cheating at 40k is so sad.. Tournaments have relatively lame prizes as far as games go

The biggest cheat I see people do is pivoting their tanks to get like 3" extra movement for disembarking.. Which is totally bogus and more tournaments should enforce "movement 12" = entire tank must be no further than 12" from its starting point"

If you do this, Im sorry to offend you but you're cheating so blatantly

Speak of defilers, I know this guy who tried to claim ONLY the defiler's tiny body part with the cannon counted as its hull so I couldnt shoot the legs.. Yet he counted the legs for purposes of cover saves lol

I'm usually pretty laid back and I tend to play fast and loose. I probably fudge in favor of my opponent just as often as I do myself.

@Kirasu: Really? He did that? Was he all TFG about it or just ignorant?

That's like saying the guys in your squad get a cover save from the other members of the same squad!

GoFenris wrote:

Naturally , next question would be:

"does the guy's thick skull , thick skinned head get armor bonus against a bat"

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Kirasu: Really? He did that? Was he all TFG about it or just ignorant?

That's like saying the guys in your squad get a cover save from the other members of the same squad!

He fought me tooth and nail on it with a judge.. So obviously it was pretty intentional

Kirasu wrote:Cheating at 40k is so sad.. Tournaments have relatively lame prizes as far as games go

The biggest cheat I see people do is pivoting their tanks to get like 3" extra movement for disembarking.. Which is totally bogus and more tournaments should enforce "movement 12" = entire tank must be no further than 12" from its starting point"

If you do this, Im sorry to offend you but you're cheating so blatantly

Speak of defilers, I know this guy who tried to claim ONLY the defiler's tiny body part with the cannon counted as its hull so I couldnt shoot the legs.. Yet he counted the legs for purposes of cover saves lol

I can not find a legitimate reason that you would not be aloud to pivot after you're movement. This pivot happens at the center of the vehicle, so yes I would think that it is possible to pull this. There are however many unintended rule problems that a person just shouldn't pull in a game to get an advantage. This being one of those highly unsportsmanlike like behaviors especially if the model was converted to gain extra advantage from it (ork stretch limo trukks, yes I've seen them.)

You're second example is plain and simply against the rules. I don't have the book at the moment, but it should be covered under line of site rules, where it mentions that a unit can not block line of sight to itself thus giving itself a free cover save (oddly convereted banners for example)

I don't cheat. At all. Ever.

At least, at 40K. The Source engine's dev codes are hillarious at times.

Either way, it wouldn't feel right. I make sure all my rolls are in clear sight, and make sure I see all my opponent's rolls. I make sure everything's measured from the same (or at least similar) place, I call templates as I see them on BOTH sides, and even hand a clear, itemised printout of my army list over to my opponent before the battle.
However, I don't put up with cheaty bs on my opponent's part. If I see he's fudging things, I call him on it.

LunaHound wrote:

GoFenris wrote:

Naturally , next question would be:

"does the guy's thick skull , thick skinned head get armor bonus against a bat"

LOL, QFT Lunahound!

-High Five hand held out-

Kirasu wrote:Cheating at 40k is so sad.. Tournaments have relatively lame prizes as far as games go

Speak of defilers, I know this guy who tried to claim ONLY the defiler's tiny body part with the cannon counted as its hull so I couldnt shoot the legs.. Yet he counted the legs for purposes of cover saves lol

Did we play against the same person or something? I just packed up when my guy said it.

combatmedic wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Cheating at 40k is so sad.. Tournaments have relatively lame prizes as far as games go

Speak of defilers, I know this guy who tried to claim ONLY the defiler's tiny body part with the cannon counted as its hull so I couldnt shoot the legs.. Yet he counted the legs for purposes of cover saves lol

Did we play against the same person or something? I just packed up when my guy said it.

I think I know this guy but could the claim that the body was only the tiny canon area be coming from the main book when its talking about targeting walkers or some other area?

speaking of cover saves some one I play with keeps claiming that if I am in a piece of terrain like a rubled building but their unit is in the open they say they get a cover save because im firing through cover even if my unit is right up against a wall facing out from a rubled building.

Either the "hull" is body+legs, or it's body only. Whatever the agreement is, you don't play it both ways when it's convenient for the Chaos player...

I've made a lot of mistakes over the years, but never intentionally cheated. If I realise one, I try to fix it, if possible - the other day, for example, I fired a non-existent MM out of a Rhino a couple times...luckily it did no damage. The MM was deployed in a crater the other side of the board *shame*

If I see someone intentionally cheating, then I politely ask them to undo the cheat. The first time. I get exponentionally less polite as it goes on...(From, "Do you want to roll for that Run move first? *Laugh* " to "Nope, you're still within an inch of my tank shocking vehicle.")

let me give you an example of some cheatery that went on at a tourny I went to.

A certain team tourny at toywiz in nanuet NY had our first round opponents try to get away with the following.

1) Lumbering hulk rules means they can fire everything and move 6
2) shooting from the front of the chimera instead of the hatch
3) giving orders to units in chimeras
4) trying to fudge rules when it came to combat and engaged models
5) slow playing on purpose

In our game I addressed and showed the rules for all but #3.... i let them get away with it since I didn't know the rules for it... Now I do. All the above was cheating they committed during the game.

After the game was over, we gave them a 7 out of 12 on the rubric for sportsmanship. The rubric gave -3 for slow playing, -1 for no theme and -1 for not wysiwyg. I informed them that we also did not deserve wysiwyg since i left one plague bearer at home.
They did not follow the rubric and gave us a 5, (lowest score we could have received by rubric was an 8)

again cheating.....

their last round they played our friends. they committed #'s 1-3 again... even though they knew the rules after playing me... and I showed them the rules and the page they were on...

It bothers me that people would sell out their dignity to win a game with plastic soldiers.

I personally do my best to not cheat, by accident or on purpose.

on another note, other people from their club, Army of salvation, did the same thing to my other friends at the same tourny... I just kinda hope they weren't doing it on purpose... I have more faith in people then that

sorry... was just informed by another friend their club cheated like this (sportsmanship dinging/forgetting rules) at the conflict GT also....

How is this even a question?
No, cheating is bad!

Not with any intention, although things can get prickly sometimes when you have five editions of a rule set bouncing around in your head.

Mistakes have and will be made. Although to be fair I'm just as likely to forget to shoot with a unit, or move even sometimes. Think I'm loosing it tbh.