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Breotan wrote:Well, chimera is actually a word with an actual pronounciation, so you can look it up in the dictionary. The rest are made up. Still, I can't wait for someone to call their tank a "Lemon-Russ".
Believe me, around here it happens all the time. Though it has to do with fantasy words not being common material in the mandatory English classes. A red shirt had the greatest difficulty to tell me to buy Archaon (Argh-eee-oooon according to him) or Catachans (KA-HA-HANZ).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Le Mans = Le Manzzz not mon, they're not rastas.
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Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Honestly. Look at all the dirty little foreign chaps trying to tell me how to speak the language my country invented (with liberal 'donations' from other European Countries. And definitely donations. Certainly not the proceeds of following said other European Countries down dark allies, smacking them around a bit then running off with their big bag o'words)
C as in Curl. Tan as it is pronounced.
You may now go back to being dirty foreign types.
"I say! We shan't see the sun set on the empire, shan't we? Hawr hawr hawr."
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Argh, Dakka edited me. But it's a pronunciation not a swear word!
I'll try again... Shi- Tan
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"If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss."
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Erm, not quite. I pronounce it with a hard C , so it become Ka-tan. Though I'm only taking Dawn of War as a precedent, so you should probably take that with a pinch of salt.
Also, on the whole laz/lays debate, I've had a chat with JJ and he pronounces it laz-gun. I think that, considering how he invented the word 'n all, that is how it should be said...
In other news, kye-meh-rah, tir-an-id, and lee-man. I've never heard them pronounced any other way, at least not around here
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Honestly. Look at all the dirty little foreign chaps trying to tell me how to speak the language my country invented (with liberal 'donations' from other European Countries. And definitely donations. Certainly not the proceeds of following said other European Countries down dark allies, smacking them around a bit then running off with their big bag o'words)
C as in Curl. Tan as it is pronounced.
You may now go back to being dirty foreign types.
That made me done a lol
Greenbynog:
"To stray down the murky path of analogy, if I stuck a mustache on a banana, it's a special kind of banana, but a banana none the less. Yep, I think that made it loads clearer."
I guess we all have our accents.
So let's not turn this into a regional war.
Manchu wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Main Entry: chi·me·ra
Pronunciation: \kī-ˈmir-ə, kə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin chimaera, from Greek chimaira she-goat, chimera; akin to Old Norse gymbr yearling ewe, Greek cheimōn winter — more at hibernate
1 acapitalized : a fire-breathing she-monster in Greek mythology having a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail b: an imaginary monster compounded of incongruous parts
2: an illusion or fabrication of the mind ; especially : an unrealizable dream 3: an individual, organ, or part consisting of tissues of diverse genetic constitution
THE HORUS HERESY: Emprah: Hours, go reconquer the galaxy so there can be a new golden age. Horus: But I should be Emprah, bawwwwww! Emprah: Magnus, stop it with the sorcery. Magnus: But I know what's best, bawwwwww! Emprah: Horus, tell Russ to bring Magnus to me because I said so. Horus: Emprah wants you to kill Magnus because he said so. Russ: Fine. Emprah's always right. Plus Ole Red has already been denounced as a traitor and I never liked him anyway. Russ: You're about to die, cyclops! Magnus: O noes! Tzeentch, I choose you! Bawwwww! Russ: Ah well. Now to go kill Horus. Russ: Rowboat, how have you not been doing anything? Guilliman: . . . I've been writing a book. Russ: Sigh. Let's go. Guilliman: And I fought the Word Bearers! Horus: Oh shi--Spess Puppies a'comin? Abbadon: And the Ultramarines, sir. Horus: Who? Anyway, this looks bad. *enter Sanguinis* What are you doing here? Come to join me? Sanguinius: *throws self on Horus's power claws* Alas, I am undone! When you play Castlevania, remember me! *enter Emprah* Emprah: Horus! So my favorite son killed my favorite daughter! Horus: What about the Lion? Emprah: Never liked her. Horus: No one does. Now prepare to die! *mortally wounds Emprah*Emprah: Au contraire, you dick. *kills Horus* Dorn: Okay, now I just plug this into this and . . . okay, it works! Emprah? Hellooooo? Jonson: I did nothing! Guilliman: I did more nothing that you! Jonson: Nuh-uh. I was the most worthless! Guilliman: Have you read my book? Dorn: No one likes that book. Khan: C'mon guys. It's not that bad. Dorn: I guess not. Russ: You all suck. Ima go bring the Emprah back to life.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Honestly. Look at all the dirty little foreign chaps trying to tell me how to speak the language my country invented (with liberal 'donations' from other European Countries. And definitely donations. Certainly not the proceeds of following said other European Countries down dark allies, smacking them around a bit then running off with their big bag o'words)
C as in Curl. Tan as it is pronounced.
You may now go back to being dirty foreign types.
must...not...acknowledge troll...
To admit defeat is to blaspheme against The Emperor.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Honestly. Look at all the dirty little foreign chaps trying to tell me how to speak the language my country invented (with liberal 'donations' from other European Countries. And definitely donations. Certainly not the proceeds of following said other European Countries down dark allies, smacking them around a bit then running off with their big bag o'words)
C as in Curl. Tan as it is pronounced.
You may now go back to being dirty foreign types.
must...not...acknowledge troll...
you just did.
Manchu wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
I collect:
Guard - 2k of mostly infantry
DA - 2k of deathwing, 2k of other bits (no vehicles)
Sisters - mostly converted/proxy because I'm waiting for therange to go plastic.
Tau - 2k with no riptides because I can.
I'm not a linguist. Though I was briefly "hooked on phonics" during grade school. Why does the C in C'Tan default to the hard C sound as in car or candy? Why not the soft C in celery or citrus. The distinction between a hard or soft sounding C is the following vowel. Is it because the hard sounds outnumbers the soft sound in vowel pairs (A O and U)? Seriously I was never taught rules for just a single C without any following vowels except when I was taught to pronounce the letter itself (C = sea). Therefore that's the way I pronounce it. Is there something in the english language that defines this scenario differently? I'm asking a serious question because now I'm concerned I'm mistaken and I hate looking foolish in public. I will identify myself a hyprocrite though since I do pronounce Cthulhu as Keh-thul-hu. I'm thinking the sound is ambiguous and up to the originator of the word to define. Both words are deliberately constructed to appear alien, and therefore composed of irregular and maybe at the time undefined phonetic combinations.
I've never been happy with this aspect of the language. I'm not sure if it's just been made muddy by years of misunderstandings, mixed languages and dialects, but seriously take the word Celtic.
Usually for exceptions to this rule you would look at the latin root...but there is no latin root word for C'Tan. I think alot of people assume they are referencing Satan though.
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I totally agree with you. Even more so for the obvious reference of Satan. I have always viewed the C in C'Tan as a seperate entity....and we all know ( I hope ) how the letter C sounds when performing the alphabet...a,b,c...
Based on that how can the C in C'Tan sound anything other than SeeTan?
However.....we should not forget the advent of Social convention....and if the majority (educated and logical or not, as the case may be ) deem to called the word KuhTan....then thats what we'd have to follow.
2000 Volts wrote:So, according to the C'Tan pronounciationists... Wouldn't Chimera be pronounced See-Himera?
No.
As I posted before
Main Entry: chi·me·ra
Pronunciation: \kī-ˈmir-ə, kə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin chimaera, from Greek chimaira she-goat, chimera; akin to Old Norse gymbr yearling ewe, Greek cheimōn winter — more at hibernate
1 acapitalized : a fire-breathing she-monster in Greek mythology having a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail b: an imaginary monster compounded of incongruous parts
2: an illusion or fabrication of the mind ; especially : an unrealizable dream
3: an individual, organ, or part consisting of tissues of diverse genetic constitution
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Delephont wrote:@ Phillosmaster
I totally agree with you. Even more so for the obvious reference of Satan. I have always viewed the C in C'Tan as a seperate entity....and we all know ( I hope ) how the letter C sounds when performing the alphabet...a,b,c...
Based on that how can the C in C'Tan sound anything other than SeeTan?
However.....we should not forget the advent of Social convention....and if the majority (educated and logical or not, as the case may be ) deem to called the word KuhTan....then thats what we'd have to follow.
Looks like the Plebs win again!
Everyone in my area says see-tan, so maybe its just a regional thing.
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THE HORUS HERESY: Emprah: Hours, go reconquer the galaxy so there can be a new golden age. Horus: But I should be Emprah, bawwwwww! Emprah: Magnus, stop it with the sorcery. Magnus: But I know what's best, bawwwwww! Emprah: Horus, tell Russ to bring Magnus to me because I said so. Horus: Emprah wants you to kill Magnus because he said so. Russ: Fine. Emprah's always right. Plus Ole Red has already been denounced as a traitor and I never liked him anyway. Russ: You're about to die, cyclops! Magnus: O noes! Tzeentch, I choose you! Bawwwww! Russ: Ah well. Now to go kill Horus. Russ: Rowboat, how have you not been doing anything? Guilliman: . . . I've been writing a book. Russ: Sigh. Let's go. Guilliman: And I fought the Word Bearers! Horus: Oh shi--Spess Puppies a'comin? Abbadon: And the Ultramarines, sir. Horus: Who? Anyway, this looks bad. *enter Sanguinis* What are you doing here? Come to join me? Sanguinius: *throws self on Horus's power claws* Alas, I am undone! When you play Castlevania, remember me! *enter Emprah* Emprah: Horus! So my favorite son killed my favorite daughter! Horus: What about the Lion? Emprah: Never liked her. Horus: No one does. Now prepare to die! *mortally wounds Emprah*Emprah: Au contraire, you dick. *kills Horus* Dorn: Okay, now I just plug this into this and . . . okay, it works! Emprah? Hellooooo? Jonson: I did nothing! Guilliman: I did more nothing that you! Jonson: Nuh-uh. I was the most worthless! Guilliman: Have you read my book? Dorn: No one likes that book. Khan: C'mon guys. It's not that bad. Dorn: I guess not. Russ: You all suck. Ima go bring the Emprah back to life.
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He is talking to someone (probably a techpriest, can't remember) who says that Shadowlight was made by a race known in Gothic as ther C'tan or Katarn. He makes some comment like 'Thank the Emporer it's not those damned necrons'
No offense to anyone who likes arguing over the prununcation ov certan wurds,but I dont thiink it iz qite lif and death.
Cheese Elemental-Love does not bloom in 40k. Love burns. It gets turned inside out, set on fire, raped, shot with bolters, and beaten with a crowbar.
Fafnir wrote:You don't really tend to notice blanks. If you're in a crowded room with one, you'll never notice him.
People tend to notice Pariahs. If you're in a crowded room with one, everyone's killing themselves.
Chimera is pronounced with the hard C at the beginning instead of the obvious ch sound like in change or choose because of the greek/latin roots. It's an exception to the rules. I will say that even then a more compelling arguement would be what about words like BACK, TACT and PICK. In all those words we default to the hard C sound. Though this still doesn't answer the question of how you pronounce a single C seperated by an apostrophe.
I believe the pronunciation in Dawn of War added with Mekboy's comment about the dialogue in Ciaphas Cain seem to suggest that C'tan would sound similar to Katarn and therefore it would be pronounced with a hard C sound. Whether it's correct or not that seems to be the prevailing pronunciation in the expanded fluff. Let's ask Yakface to throw this question in with the IGFAQ questions to see if we can get an answer
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