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Ghaz wrote:From page 11 of the Warhammer 40,000 5th edition rulebook:

A model may not move into or through the space occupied by another model...

This is what prevents you from disembarking onto the top of the vehicle. "Anywhere" does not mean "anywhere at all in spite of any other rules". You can't disembark within an inch of the enemy and you can't disembark on top of the vehicle.

As for the vehicle being 'terrain', it's not terrain until after the squad disembarks. There are no rules for disembarking from terrain.

If a vehicle is wrecked isn't it no longer a model in gaming purposes? And also isn't it Impassible terrain? If all the info is true and it says anywhere withing 2" then I would say it could be placed on top of the wrecked vehicle.


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Ghaz wrote:Being placed on top IS occupying the same space. Placing models on top of each other means that they are occupying the same space on the table. It is clearly illegal.

And yet again, the vehicle does not become terrain until after you place your models. You can not disembark from terrain.

Actually the only way two models could truly occupy the same space would be to melt the plastic together. After reading the full argument I would say just roll a dice if the opponent argues that scenario 1 is right and doesn't drop the argument after I say it's not. Oh btw I say it's not legal. sorry for not fully reading the second page over

Hollis I wanted to agree with you but here is a whole that hurts your arg.

Everything has an order of operations. Examples besides that one that ends up killing your embarked squad are psychic powers taken at the beginning of the movement phase like GoI, or rolling for reserves at the beginning of the movement phase.

Although the player turn is described as having 3 phases (movement, shooting, assault) there is still an order of operation within those phases which per the rules must be abided by.

orkishlyorkish wrote:If a vehicle is wrecked isn't it no longer a model in gaming purposes? And also isn't it Impassible terrain? If all the info is true and it says anywhere withing 2" then I would say it could be placed on top of the wrecked vehicle.

The problem with this idea is that the rules specifically tell you that a transport which receives a "vehicle destroyed - wrecked" damage result does not become a wreck until after the unit inside performs its disembark, or is destroyed if it cannot disembark. While many things in 40k don't have defined orders of operation, this is one instance where the game gives you a specific order to perform things in.

So:

Before the unit disembarks the vehicle is still impassible terrain (which models may not be placed into).

After the unit disembarks the vehicle becomes a wreck, which is difficult and dangerous terrain which provides a cover save.

Hollis, bottom line, you are wrong. You cannot place models on top of another model, no matter whther they are moving, disembarking, teleporting, whatever. You simply cannot do it. At the time that the unit gets out of the vehicle (as posted already) the vehicle is not yet terrain. Give it up, you're just making yourse4lf look quite silly.