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Wait a second, isn't healthcare communist witchcraft, that will corrupt the morals of peasants and make them indolent and slothful?

Nurglitch wrote:Wait a second, isn't healthcare communist witchcraft, that will corrupt the morals of peasants and make them indolent and slothful?

HAHAHAHAHA! YOUR TOO LATE NOW! YOU NEED US TO LIVE!

Nu uh, you got it all wrong, you think they are communist .

It can't be an "individual" right.

I suppose it could be a collective right. Although, what happens if no one wanted to be a doctor?

Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing.
-Voltaire

Personally I think we need a right NOT to see doctors. After all, they are one of the leading causes of death.

utan wrote:Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing.
-Voltaire

Who is this Voltaire fellow? He sounds greatly misinformed.

A guy born in the 1600s.

As someone who has the means to never be without health care himself, I can say with absolute certainty that I would be more then happy to PAY MORE in taxes every year if it meant that others will receive health care. Most of my friends are too poor to afford insurance and I recall with great clarity my roommate nearly dying of strep throat last year.

I don't know if health care is a right or not, but it is my opinion that it should be. It boggles my mind to see people who can't afford health care (one of my friend's dad comes to mind) advocate for a private system which has shut them out in the cold.


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@Typeline: It's important to note the medical practices in use and the level of medical training doctors received during Voltaire's lifetime.

One just needs to keep their eyes on the news to see that his quote could easily apply to the current state of medicine.

Vioxx anyone?

Not really Utan. No matter how many Doctors you might read of incompetence about, I could show you well over 100 or so who have never had anything negative about them in the press.


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garret wrote:Y'know im getting pretty tired of people saying that because im 16 i cant have an intelligent conversation with them.

Sorry to say so, but it's really not your age. It's your attitude. Though to be fair your youthful vigour would explain much.

I do not under stand?
What do you mean "youthful vigour"

You see thinks in Black and White and have all the answers. Wait until you grow older and become a pragmatic/cynical person.

M.

Statements without support, and indeed, statements which seemed to hint extremely heavily you've never really been in a position to make a judgement.

I was trying to be polite. OR would you prefer I just used words like immature?

no i just wanted to undrstand by what you meant.
Im done with this thread good bye not worth getting so mad over.

All I'll say is really consider stuff next time. Weigh up the pros and cons of your statements.

I don't much care for the proper definitions of rights, duties, morals and all the rest.

I do know that if a person is dying in any open, democratic system with the wealth and abundance of resources of a modern economy, then that person will receive the care needed to bring them back to health. Not 'should', but 'will'. There is no hypothetical open, democratic government in a wealthy society that will turn away dying people. People just do not work that way (except garret, but there are reasons few places give the vote to 16 year olds). Once you accepted that, you have to accept than when a person cannot afford to pay for their healthcare, government and therefore society will foot the bill. Letting the sick die unless they can raise the money is simply not an option.

Once you've accepted that then you have to consider the best way to build a national healthcare plan. You need to start considering the idea of preventative care producing a much lower cost than only treating emergencies. That if a person can visit a doctor for little or no charge to have a mole checked out, preventative care now will be a lot cheaper than full blown cancer treatment down the line.

So you can quickly reach the idea that it is only practical to provide a decent range of medical services to the poor.

Nurglitch wrote:Wait a second, isn't healthcare communist witchcraft, that will corrupt the morals of peasants and make them indolent and slothful?

SHHH! Don't let them know, how else are we supposed to infiltrate the very fabric of their country ?

Tomorrow healthcare : next week driving on the left.

Constant subliminal reinforcement.

Then : non profit!

...is this right ?