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I checked up on Holocaust and it explicitly makes the point that wounds caused by it are counted towards the combat result so that would make a strong case for the whole "but count the number actually inflicted for determining which side won the assault" meaning what people have been thinking it does in terms of possibly counting the wounds not technically inflicted to the combat result (depending on how you interpret it).

Majesticgoat wrote:Do wounds caused by the Holocaust psychic power count towards combat resolution according to the Daemonhunters Codex? I do not have my codex handy so if no one else chimes in then I will be back with it..

Yeppers. Check out pg.12 of Codex: Daemonhunters.

In regards to psychic wounds being different from normal wounds in regards to instant death, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Do you have an example of a situation that uses the term 'instant death' where you don't believe should follow the rules on pg.39 of the BRB?

DoW

EDIT: Too slow! Although I'm still not sure where you're drawing the distinction between psychic and physical wounds. They are the same, no?

As I am no longer allowed to say "This is what the rules say therefore this is what is right", I shall offer my humble opinion:

NWF Do not cause Instant Death, so Yarrick Can have all his wounds taken away. However, "Slain outright" does not indicate in any way they cannot come back (Bionics, some other special rule etc), so he gets to make his special check to come back.

Simple!

I missed seeing your posts Gwar! I thought you found new forum. What do you think about whether or not a force weapon will contribute to the combat results if it slays outright or Instant Deaths something with more than one wound?

Majesticgoat wrote:I missed seeing your posts Gwar! I thought you found new forum. What do you think about whether or not a force weapon will contribute to the combat results if it slays outright or Instant Deaths something with more than one wound?

That's also pretty clear IMHO. For example, you Slay Outright or Instant Death a model with 3 Wounds. It lost 3 wounds that round, so it counts as 3 lost wounds!

Okay thanks, Gwar! Keep posting your thoughts. Your input is always insightful.

Gwar! wrote:That's also pretty clear IMHO. For example, you Slay Outright or Instant Death a model with 3 Wounds. It lost 3 wounds that round, so it counts as 3 lost wounds!

I have to say I don't agree. While the effect of 'slain outright' seems to be intended to be the same as 'instant death,' I don't think the rules truly reflect that.

The rules for determining the assault results specifically mention 'instant death' as a case that still requires you to count all of the wounds inflicted, but it does not mention 'slain outright.' Even if we are to assume that they have the same effect, and should be treated as such, the decision to place the statement "including all of the Wounds lost by models that have suffered instant death" clearly represents the author's belief that players would rightly assume that you should not count those wounds unless specifically instructed to. If that's the case, then because it does not mention the effect of 'slain outright' it seems that the indication is to specifically not count those wounds for the purposes of determining assault results.

If the rule said that you need to count the wounds caused by lasguns twice, it wouldn't follow that you count the wounds from hotshot lasguns twice, would it?

This being said, I realize I am disagreeing with Gwar! That, in and of itself, is enough to give me pause.

DoW

I think you're mixed up; the rules for NFW do tell you to count up the wounds done.

The question is whether a model that is "slain outright" loses all of its wounds in the first place.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I think you're mixed up; the rules for NFW do tell you to count up the wounds done.

The question is whether a model that is "slain outright" loses all of its wounds in the first place.

Yes, you're absolutely right. Sorry.

It's to see whether he actually loses that last wound, which I don't think technically happens.

Must have been all the excitement, got me all a-flutter!

DoW