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Well, I hope that when I die, they stick me in a metal box and hook me up to a big ass walking destruction box.

Seriously, part of me wants to believe in reincarnation and part of me wants to believe in complete and total oblivion.

On a side note, I wanna be cremated and painted into a super creepy portrait - the kind whose eyes follow you around the room.

Nothing.
Only the void.

I do not believe in the hereafter, just the here and now.

Emperors Faithful wrote: No one can be sure what waits for us on the other side. Becuase none of us has been there (well...been there and remembered it).

Step into a Christian section at a bookstore sometime. There's a whole section about people who have allegedly been to both heaven and hell and remember it because God/Jesus/some angel wanted them to tell the world about it and so they wrote a book.

simple if you have severed thy heads of many you get eaten and decay in thy warp yet if you severed thy heads of chaos, evil if you will you go to thy emperor's thorne in thy sky.

chromedog wrote:Nothing.
Only the void.

I do not believe in the hereafter, just the here and now.

Interesting but if you died, wouldn't that be the here-and-now?

I personally have never died. Has anyone and will they tell us?

Cheese and DeadShane obliquely (perhaps unknowingly?) seem to be referring to Pascal's wager, which goes something like: "If I believe in the God who rewards a life of moral striving (note, not necessarily success), and I am right then I gain everything. If I'm wrong and nothing happens, I lose nothing. But if I bet on there being no such God and no such demand to attempt to live morally and I am wrong, then I lose everything whereas if I am right then I gain nothing." So belief in such a God can be purely practical, can't it? As a practicing Catholic, I don't think so. Belief in such a God transforms one's life in some way (or at least it has mine) so that what is merely practical is no longer the appropriate quantum by which meaningfulness is measured. I think that people who think of Christian beliefs solely in terms of the afterlife are not only not seeing the whole picture but rather seeing a gravely distorted picture, just a caricature in fact. What happens in this life, what we try to do, is extremely important and not really even primarily about a reward or punishment that may or may not occur after death. Rory is on to something when she criticizes the notion of an afterlife that is merely a continuation of the mortal conscience as a cheapening of the meaning and vitality of this mortal lifespan. Human death, as I try to understand it, is apocolyptic--that is, not just an individual ending of the world but a revelation. Christians express this notion in the term beatific vision.

Wise words Manchu

Yes, VERY wise words. Well put Manchu.

@Platuan4th: How far are you willing to vouch for these people? Not only thier different RELIGEON who recieve these visions, but even the same visions are often self-conflicting.
1 man described hell as pure darkness and whispering voices, while heaven was pure light.
Another man described hell as flaming and screaming, tortured voices crying for help, while heaven was more 'Earth Like' cept nicer, and flowers sang praise to god (lot's of singing according to this guy).

My point is that I can only REALLY trust in and believe for certain what I see for myself. And it certainly doesn't help if no one ELSE has a unified, concise idea about the afterlife.

Emperors Faithful wrote:My point is that I can only REALLY trust in and believe for certain what I see for myself. And it certainly doesn't help if no one ELSE has a unified, concise idea about the afterlife.

But that's not entirely true. Many, many people agree on certain points about what the afterlife means even if they don't share the same ideas about what it will be like. And among these many, there is even some vague consensus as to what it will be like. That it cannot be described with the detail of someone's back garden is to be expected. After all, none of us have yet been there AND we're talking about something that we know about (to the extent that we can claim to know anything about it) not via touch, taste, sight, scent, or hearing but rather through faith. What we have are concepts expressed in metaphors: "It will be like . . ." etc. That's not so bad. If you think about it, that's the way we get to the one aspect of the meaning of things that we can touch, taste, see, smell, and hear. In poetry, I mean.

I meant that for those people that "claim" to have been tp heaven and hell, and are back again, I can't really trust thier descriptions as they are conflicting. If I were to die, see heaven, and come back, I would DEFINITELY believe in an afterlife..but then I would wonder if i had just banged my head REALLY hard.

Whether there is an afterlife at all, I have little-to-no idea.

I'm not sure why people who experienced these things should be expected to have had the same impression of them. We're talking about the ineffable here. (That said, I don't believe that stuff, either, lol.)

Meh, not really a religious man myself I find the whole idea of heaven and hell kind of tedious and lame.

However I would love to think that I went to massive hall full of vikings drinking and singing and sleeping with valkyries sounds like a ball !!

After life who knows, but to be quite frank people saying they have been to hell and back seems quite bs in all honesty (just my opinion dont slay me through the interwebs )

And well After death, I'll find out, or not depending on what is there lol

Yes, we all shall find out the answer sooner or later.
I suppose the best answer to this question would be:
"Be patient, you'll found out soon enough."

Meh, I've got a while to go (hopefully) and like many youths I want the answer NOW!!! *whingy voice*

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Platuan4th: How far are you willing to vouch for these people? Not only thier different RELIGEON who recieve these visions, but even the same visions are often self-conflicting.
1 man described hell as pure darkness and whispering voices, while heaven was pure light.
Another man described hell as flaming and screaming, tortured voices crying for help, while heaven was more 'Earth Like' cept nicer, and flowers sang praise to god (lot's of singing according to this guy).

My point is that I can only REALLY trust in and believe for certain what I see for myself. And it certainly doesn't help if no one ELSE has a unified, concise idea about the afterlife.

Sorry, I forgot my [Sarcasm] tags. I only know about these because of working at a Barnes & Noble for 3 years. My point in posting it was that there are people who believe they or others have been there and back and thus know what's on the other side(something that's impossible).

When you die, you wake up and realize that all of these threads were pointless.

I don't know, I don't have an answer.

@Platuan4th: hmmm, sorry. My mistake.

I hereby vote for an orkmoticon (prefferbly not an ork) that represents sarcasm. (Rolling it's eyes, mabye?)

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Platuan4th: hmmm, sorry. My mistake.

I hereby vote for an orkmoticon (prefferbly not an ork) that represents sarcasm. (Rolling it's eyes, mabye?)

Nope, that looks confused. And docile. But not sarcastic.

Apparently you have little experience with sarcasm.

Sarcasm is an art. Not many of the yoof of today are familiar with it - because it doesn't come in shiny white or describe its fatuous existence on twitter.

@Emperor's faithful: Docile does not mean stupid. Docility is a quality that has to do with being easily led.

In that case, it can be said that the yoof of today are certainly docile. Followers of the latest trend in marketing.

I 2nd the call for a sarcasm notifier. Even if it's just a set of tags that transform the text - like bolding or italics.

chromedog wrote:Sarcasm is an art. Not many of the yoof of today are familiar with it - because it doesn't come in shiny white or describe its fatuous existence on twitter.

It's probably more to do with the difficulties of communication over a text based medium, than with the dying art of being a smartarse.



Meanwhile, I have no idea what happens after you die. I suspect you simply stop being, but I don't know for certain. I think I'd rather not find out, either.

chromedog wrote:Sarcasm is an art. Not many of the yoof of today are familiar with it - because it doesn't come in shiny white or describe its fatuous existence on twitter

Thanks, old man. Maybe you should be more critical of your own perceptual faculties.

I'm erring on just The Void. I think the moments before complete death would be infinitely beautiful, though. I'm not a crazed serial killer, but I think one would be enlightened in those moments.

Reincarnation would be very, very handy.

"..and by means of this they think that men are spurred to acts of great valour, having disregarded their fear of death."

Roman Poetry/Literature FTW.

sA

dogma wrote:
Thanks, old man. Maybe you should be more critical of your own perceptual faculties.

Why yes, I AM an old man. Bitter and twisted, too. Nostalgia also ain't what it used to be.

My perceptual faculties are otherwise fine - except for the voices that keep telling me to "kill them all".

DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!?

Anyway, I was just saying that sarcasm on paper is harder too pick up than in real life, since tone and body language is absent.

Emperors Faithful wrote:... I was just saying that sarcasm on paper is harder too pick up than in real life, since tone and body language is absent.

Well said!

And to answer the thread: After death, there is jugement.
By who? How? What will happen to bad guys? what is bad?
I dont know: I just strongly believe in jugement.

Look, to really understand what happens after life, one must watch "The Meaning of Life" Pt. VII, "Death". Then all of your answers will come true.

I want to say Beauty and Peace is what we obtain from passing.

But i honestly think we will just die, blackness just nothing
Whoa... that was deep.


I know it's tasteless but i got a bad feeling about that.

I hope it has wifi.

chromedog wrote:

dogma wrote:
Thanks, old man. Maybe you should be more critical of your own perceptual faculties.

Why yes, I AM an old man. Bitter and twisted, too. Nostalgia also ain't what it used to be.

My perceptual faculties are otherwise fine - except for the voices that keep telling me to "kill them all".

Dogma is just a grump, I dare say a bigger grump than yourself! Some are born facing the "wrong" way and start out with the world looking upside-down at them... these are among the few and the separated that see life through then end... the end justifies the means, not literally but rather in a philosophical demeanor that could be entirely virtual.

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