Your Thoughts On Nob Bikers

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**Nurglitch**

I would have thought that Storm Eagle Rocket and Medusa Siege Cannons were the sort of thing you wanted in a situation like that: Lots of pie. Lots of S10 to smash the Battlewagons, and then the boyz inside.

**Black Blow Fly**

Centurian99 wrote:Are people still talking about this? Nob bikers are good, but they're not that good. The counters are well known by now: negate at least 2 of their 3 main advantages and you've evened the field. Negate all 3, and the bikers are toast:

The Nob Bikers three main advantages are:
#1 - Feel No Pain
#2 - 3+ turbo-boost cover save
#3 - 2 wounds/model...

#4 - can be fielded as a completely complex unit.

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**PanamaG**

^What he said.

Canonness Rory wrote:A vindicator will ruin nob biker's day, as will lash of submission, force weapons, power fists, battle cannons, obliterators, missile launchers, meltas, slaaneshi daemon weapons, abbaddon's daemon weapon, etc. You had access to all of these, just add a vindie or two to your list and you'll be money.

Dude youve never played vs nob bikers. 2/3 of those things dont work.

WTF is a power fist going to do to 20 nobs on bikes?

**Centurian99**

Green Blow Fly wrote:
Centurian99 wrote:Are people still talking about this? Nob bikers are good, but they're not that good. The counters are well known by now: negate at least 2 of their 3 main advantages and you've evened the field. Negate all 3, and the bikers are toast:

The Nob Bikers three main advantages are:
#1 - Feel No Pain
#2 - 3+ turbo-boost cover save
#3 - 2 wounds/model...

#4 - can be fielded as a completely complex unit.

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True, but there's really no way to negate that advantage. I should have said, "three main negatable advantages".

**Hollismason**

Nob bikers are a good squad but really mass Battlewagon and overabundance is better and more versatile.

Sure go ahead and meltagun the battlewagon thats great if you are in meltagun range then your certainly in assault range for orks.

I just find lists that are mechanized and have lots of BWs more difficult to deal with period.

**mercer**

Probably been pointed out, but the warboss would be T4 as the majority toughness rule, so the instant death wouldn't work assigned to the boss.

**mercer**

Probably been pointed out, but the warboss would be T4 as the majority toughness rule, so the instant death wouldn't work assigned to the boss.

**Black Blow Fly**

The battlewagon can be destroyed or wrecked which is it's major disadvantage.

Cent I understand now that you were listing advantages that can be negated. Thanks for the clarification.

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**whitedragon**

Green Blow Fly wrote:The battlewagon can be destroyed or wrecked which is it's major disadvantage.

Cent I understand now that you were listing advantages that can be negated. Thanks for the clarification.

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The battlewagon can be wrecked, but you can run 3-6 battlewagons with Deff Rollaz full of nobz and other boyz and present a huge AV 14 front to the enemy that's all opentopped to boot. I'd say the BW spam orks is at least as competetive as Nob Bikerz, and is much better protected against Lash.

**Krootman**

whitedragon wrote:
Green Blow Fly wrote:The battlewagon can be destroyed or wrecked which is it's major disadvantage.

Cent I understand now that you were listing advantages that can be negated. Thanks for the clarification.

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The battlewagon can be wrecked, but you can run 3-6 battlewagons with Deff Rollaz full of nobz and other boyz and present a huge AV 14 front to the enemy that's all opentopped to boot. I'd say the BW spam orks is at least as competetive as Nob Bikerz, and is much better protected against Lash.

The bw list will also rape nob bikers. Watching bikers get deffrolled is pretty funny. d6 4+ save or they die wounds per wagon assuming they don't try to death or glory lol!

**Hollismason**

Yeah I mean 8 Battlewagons is over the top but a realistic

2 Battlewagons w/ 10 Nobz and a Ork Warboss

2 Battlewagons with Tankbustas or Lootas

Is not terribly expensive and does more for less.

A nob squad w/ Painboy and 2 PKs, assorted Big Choppas and if you are feeling frisky Cybork bodies come in at 25 to 35 points per model.

I think 10 man squad w/ Painboy w/ 2 Pks 3 Big Choppas and Waag Banner is 300 points.

Throw two squads in your army that both count as troops and some orks in trucks or whatever and have fun.

I just find Battlewagon armies more versatile.

**The Revelator**

PanamaG wrote:^What he said.

Canonness Rory wrote:A vindicator will ruin nob biker's day, as will lash of submission, force weapons, power fists, battle cannons, obliterators, missile launchers, meltas, slaaneshi daemon weapons, abbaddon's daemon weapon, etc. You had access to all of these, just add a vindie or two to your list and you'll be money.

Dude youve never played vs nob bikers. 2/3 of those things dont work.

WTF is a power fist going to do to 20 nobs on bikes?

Rory > You.

20 Nob bikers are like 1400 points, a power fist is like 30 points, and the Pfist causes instant death to the nobz. 400 points of TH/SS termies beats the hell out of nob bikes.

**Frazzled**

PanamaG wrote:^What he said.

Canonness Rory wrote:A vindicator will ruin nob biker's day, as will lash of submission, force weapons, power fists, battle cannons, obliterators, missile launchers, meltas, slaaneshi daemon weapons, abbaddon's daemon weapon, etc. You had access to all of these, just add a vindie or two to your list and you'll be money.

Dude youve never played vs nob bikers. 2/3 of those things dont work.

WTF is a power fist going to do to 20 nobs on bikes?

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Lets ratchet the tone down a little people. No need for everyone to get their panties in a wad.

**Hollismason**

There is nothing in the rules that says you have to take the exact same thing.

It's completely possible and feasible to take

Squad Nob w/ Bikes

Squad Nob w/ Battlewagon

squad nob w/ Battlewagon

**Razerous**

Manticore.

It just solves virtually every problem to every extremely resileint/tough/deathly combo-unit out there. A few exceptions would be a a C'tan or council squad but even then, its not bad against them.

My thoughts on nob bikers - Scary fast.

**Black Blow Fly**

Nob bikers are still viable. Opinions on the Internet are very fickle. Prior to Adepticon this year nob bikers was generally considered the top list. After the event their status took a big hit. The list they are presented in needs to be reworked. I think one fully kitted unit is enough. Pair them up with some mech and Ghaz, they'll do just fine.

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**Centurian99**

Nob bikers are definitely still players. They got a bad rap after AdeptiCon, but they essentially became the list to beat, and people tooled up to face them. As I've said, they have three generally negatable advantages, and if you can negate two of them, you can hold your own. Negate all three and they're screwed. But if you can't negate at least two of them reliably, they'll own you.

Plus AdeptiCon missions worked against them...the low number of units in a nob bikers army means they have a tough time achieving multiple, somewhat contradictory objectives (which are an AdeptiCon tradition of sorts). They were especially screwed in the Gladiator, as D-Weapons turn them into chumps.

**Eyclonus**

ARRRGH wrote:Honestly I don't really see the problem with nobs in battlewagons. I can see how that could be tough but if you're not loading the nobs out with individual wargear to get 2 or 3 Battle Wagons in a 1500 point list there is really no problem there. All they're getting at best is a 5+ invuln/4+ feel no pain save (and nothing except the invuln against ap 1, 2, or power weapons), and dedicated tank killing weapons should have no problems beating up an open topped vehicle. They don't get the 4+ cover (3+ when turbo boosting), the 4+ armor save, the ability to turbo boost 18-24 and contest an objective, toughness 5, the twinlinked guns, etc etc. If you pop the battle wagon they become footsloggers which is laughable. I mean, you could actually get wounds on them with bolters. Wounds on 4s, only get the invuln + FNP, with 12 bolter shots that's guaranteed 1-2 wounds - that you'd have to remove models with.

Half the people running BW spam in my "Regional" meta trade-off the 8th BW and Nob squad for the 4+ cover save from a Big Mek KFF. Changes things that does, makes the bastard wagons never die until the units close enough to disembark anyway.

**Black Blow Fly**

Interesting to say the least.

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