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youngblood wrote:Words can have pooploads of power over people who want to appear informed but put little time into becoming informed.

Yes, that is true, but how often do you run into these people? Having attended a fair amount of anti-war rallies myself, I can honestly say that the only problems were with the fringe elements. No one like to be yelled at by a Truther, but the real problems were with the "Anarchists" running around throwing bottles and snap like that. They know that kind of thing pisses cops of quite a bit, and they hide in the crowd so it looks like there is a lot of them.

All in all, these problem makers compose a very small majority of the actual protests on either side. Every so often you will get fringe rallies, but that is usually not the case at all. The Teabagger rally was not full of those hate-signs, they were just publicized to make it look really bad. I will say that I do not agree with the people at that rally, but I most definitely respect their right to do so. I simply cannot imagine the bulk of that protest being particularly happy about some of the more offensive signage.

This reminds me somewhat of the Japanese schoolteachers who were disciplined for refusing to sing Kimigayo.

Redbeard wrote:Just from the phrasing, I don't think it will be long before this whole thing is revealed to be some sort of right-wing hoax.

The lefties rarely refer to him as Barack Hussein - it's those who want to associate him with muslims that do that.

This.

Further update.
Not a hoax. Turns out the teacher was retiring that did the song.
Parents outraged.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/elementary-school-students-reportedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/

The author of the songs is unknown, but a woman -- possibly a teacher -- can be heard in the beginning of the video correcting and helping a student who has forgotten the words. Another woman, the person holding the camera, cheers the students on: "All right," she says. "I like that."

"Alteredbeat," the YouTube user who posted the video on the Internet, told FOXNews.com that the video was first put online by Charisse Carney-Nunes, an activist and author of the children's book "I Am Barack Obama," which her Web site says "allows children to see themselves through the inspirational story of President Obama." Carney-Nunes has been promoting the book during visits to schools on the east coast.

A poster for the book can been seen near the stage of the auditorium in the video of Bernice Young Elementary, but it is unclear whether Carney-Nunes had visited the school or was present during the filming.

"Alteredbeat" told FOXNews.com that he reached out to Carney-Nunes, who insisted that the program had been filmed in June as part of a Father's Day tribute to President Obama. "The kids made up the songs on their own," she wrote, according to the YouTube user.

"Alteredbeat" originally posted the video Sept. 6, two days before Obama made an address to the nation's schoolchildren in which he praised the American education system as the best in the world and urged students to stay in school.

arents of students at a New Jersey elementary school are up in arms after a class of young kids was videotaped being "brainwashed" into singing the praises of President Obama.

B. Bernice Young Elementary School was placed on lockdown Thursday after the school's principal received death threats over a YouTube video that showed nearly 20 children being taught songs lauding the president. Back to school night events at the school scheduled for Thursday night may be canceled, and Principal Denise King is unlikely to attend if they are held.

Brainwashed. Reporting at it's best. Good job fox.

OK. This is bat-gak insane.

First, this is one instance in one school in NJ of all places. Hardly the heart and soul of the entire country.

Second, one crazy teacher is probably responsible for this and made her class rehearse it.

Third, how can anyone take a report seriously when its generated by a "paper" that has a section called "Tittle-Tattle Too"? Come on now, seriously?

There are so many more strange and frightening things we can report and comment on in this country alone. Go find out what happened to bat-boy or the elephant child or something more constructive than pandering to the stupid masses of ignorant donkey-caves who are hell bent on ruining the image, and making the job harder, of the president of our country.

Cheers

ShumaGorath wrote:Brainwashed. Reporting at it's best. Good job fox.

Wait for it... this is on the nail... wait... wait... BAM!!! Sam I am green eggs and ham... and if I could get some ketchup too please? Thank you.

paulguise wrote:OK. This is bat-gak insane.

First, this is one instance in one school in NJ of all places. Hardly the heart and soul of the entire country.

Second, one crazy teacher is probably responsible for this and made her class rehearse it.

Third, how can anyone take a report seriously when its generated by a "paper" that has a section called "Tittle-Tattle Too"? Come on now, seriously?

There are so many more strange and frightening things we can report and comment on in this country alone. Go find out what happened to bat-boy or the elephant child or something more constructive than pandering to the stupid masses of ignorant donkey-caves who are hell bent on ruining the image, and making the job harder, of the president of our country.

Cheers

I won't keep you from discussing the merits of waxing techniques.

I was betting on a rogue teacher. Looks like Wrex called it.

(And, as far as rogue teachers go, this is pretty non-threatening.)

Wrex ftw.

Time for my victory dance... YES, YES!!! WOOOT!!!

Lyrics -

Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all must lend a hand [?]
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said we must be clear today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said Red, Yellow, Black or White
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
Yes
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama

I wanna kill, Everyone!
Satan is good,
Satan is our pal!



.....hehe, finished it.

...

Wrexasaur wrote:So... there is a crazy teacher out there eh? The odds of that are... A THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THERE BEING A CRAZY TEACHER!!! Man... I am going to be in the money on this one .

I know this is, like, 'our side', but it's alright to say that this isn't cool. Like, Orkeosaurus said, if it was kids pledging to GW I think there'd be a lot of outrage, but the people talking about how bad this is would be minimising it, while the people minimising now would be talking about horrible it is.


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Frazzled wrote:Wait wingnuts were calling Bush and Cheney Fascists, Nazis, and killers for years, but its just now an issue for you?

Overblown political rhetoric is always a bad thing, but there's a massive point of difference between calling someone a Nazi/fascist/socialist/whatever when he's taking a country to war for very dubious reasons, and when he's reforming healthcare. Both are silly, one is considerably sillier than the other.

There is also a significant difference in the hostility of the rhetoric of the two situations, and I think that deep down you're objective to know which one has been worse.

Just yesterday a census worker was found dead with the word 'fed' scrawled on his chest.

I think that this situation speaks for itself. If I am not mistaken this was a single teacher, who took action of their own accord, and right before they were going to retire. I can totally understand why parents would be upset, but the situation is not that bad at all.

If schools were teaching this stuff as curriculum, their would be problem either way. If a district were to okay curriculum like this, while knowing full well the scope of action... well, then, that would be particularly bad.

With the amount of information and perspectives available on the internet, and the amount of pro-Obama support throughout the liberal media; I can imagine this being the final straw for many right-wing parents. The same would be true most likely for left-wing parents if the tables were turned (as you said).

sebster wrote:Just yesterday a census worker was found dead with the word 'fed' scrawled on his chest.

I saw that too.

STOP COUNTING ME!

STOP COUNTING MEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Dal'yth Dude wrote:The point with the pledge is, from my PoV, that there is very little difference between pledging allegiance to the flag and the message from these kids' singing.

So the fact that the children are being forced to swear allegiance and support to a person, not an idea or a nation, isn't disturbing to you? This cult of personality style is only found in systems of government where power is centralized in one mainly one person's hands. This also sets up the president for greater disappointment if his policies fail, which is still bad.

Dal'yth Dude wrote:However, what does concern me is the sheer hatred some people in this country have to our current government. Most of it, like this incident, seems to me to totally overblown and I shake my head when I hear people like Beck, Limbaugh and other ideologues espousing that our government is becoming fascist/communist/socialist insert your favorite bogeyman here.

Where were these people with guns when Bush was giving speeches?

Supporting him because they agreed with his policies. Do not delude yourself into thinking that the Obama administration has received so much hate while others have dodge it. People seem to forget that protesters were lambasting President Bush, not only with humiliating insults, but horrifying comparisons to Hitler, Stalin, etc. There were just as many people who hated the Bush administration, just from a different side of the aisle. I don't care if you have a problem with protesters, but do not pretend that this is the first time this has happened, or that this case is so unique and filled with hypocrisy.

Dal'yth Dude wrote:Were they in those 'free speech zones' blocks away?

Being corralled into pens outside the DNC in Denver last summer, or did you forget that?

Dal'yth Dude wrote:Where were the cries of fascism when it was discovered that warrantless wiretaps were happening? Where was the outrage when Monica Goodling was hiring attorneys based on partisan criteria?

You mean those wiretaps that were authorized by the insidious PATRIOT Act, that was passed with overwhelming support from both major parties? I don't know how the Democrats didn't take any heat for helping to pass that as well....

Dal'yth Dude wrote:Where were the advocates of personal responsibility and determination when Congress was debating what to do about Schiavo?

They were called the voters at the next general election, and it resulted in the Republicans getting routed in Congress.

Dal'yth Dude wrote:Freedom means responsibility too and frankly I think most people don't want freedom, they want to feel safe and that they belong to something bigger than themselves. Incoherent ranting about "the other" is group identity. That kind of thinking is what leads to authoritarianism.

Like people wanting the government to pay for their health care? The left is all about bigger government in our economic sphere, in order to take care of us. The neocons are all about bigger government in our personal lives to protect us from everyone, including ourselves. Not saying I agree with either, but it definitely goes both ways.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Wait wingnuts were calling Bush and Cheney Fascists, Nazis, and killers for years, but its just now an issue

The difference being Bush was a time traveling fascist, Nazi, murderer.

People flying off the handle is always a reality. You have to admit though, media attention to small details like this are getting totally overblown these days. The simple fact that glen beck actually has a job and viewership in the media shows just how large the right wing crazy population has become. There is no left wing equivalent. Jon Stuarts possibly the closest, almost, he's still closer to Ed Helms. Keep in mind, thats a comedy show on comedy central staffed by comedians.

It's actually kind of concerning.

So you don't count the idiots on MSNBC like Rachel Madcow or Keith Olbermann, or the nuts on the View, Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Baher and former Rosie O'Donnell? Or even NPR as a counterpoint to talk radio? This seems to me that the standard you set for the right isn't the same as for the left. There are idiots and commentators on both sides, but to say that one is worse then the other is just plain wrong. Also, people who watch Glen Beck aren't always part of the "right wing crazy population". I watch the show because I like to argue with the TV, but I also find him to be entertaining. You ever think that people watch it for the entertainment factor? I know plenty of other people who do.

So you don't count the idiots on MSNBC like Rachel Madcow or Keith Olbermann.

No major media outlet has an equivalent to Beck. Olberman is at worst a much more accurate and factual O'rielly, and Maddow is MSNBCs Hannity (I don't like her at all, she's too fething smug.)

Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Baher and former Rosie O'Donnell?

I'm not talking about celebrities. I'm talking about major news outlets. I could just as easily site Mel Gibson, Ben stein, and a hundred others. But no one takes them seriously anyway.

Or even NPR as a counterpoint to talk radio?

NPR, despite conservative bitching is fairly balanced in presentation of it's news. It's op-ed pieces can often times be fairly skewed, but they at least try to represent the populace at large. Its public radio, if you want to you can get on it, liberal or conservative. Only one side of the spectrum seems to try. NPR has standards, and is not beholden to ratings. It is publicly funded, and is held accountable for it's content. Conservative talk radio is a wall of retardation used to sell sponsored books, tickets, and whatever else is being shilled at the local level. The fact that Limbaugh is often times cited as the voice of the conservative movement, despite being an insane, racist, drug addicted, douchebag, should show well how broken the media structure the conservative spectrum uses is.

This seems to me that the standard you set for the right isn't the same as for the left. There are idiots and commentators on both sides, but to say that one is worse then the other is just plain wrong.

Actually it isn't. But when you compare Beck to Olberman, you show a total lack of perspective. Which is likely how you can actually think thus.

Also, people who watch Glen Beck aren't always part of the "right wing crazy population". I watch the show because I like to argue with the TV, but I also find him to be entertaining. You ever think that people watch it for the entertainment factor? I know plenty of other people who do.

Then he shouldn't be on the most heavily watched fething news network in the country. He has no place there. He is not a journalist. He has no integrity. He is not intellegent. he has no unique perspective.

He's a shill, a tool, a moron, and an obvious ploy to absorb the viewership of the disaffected extreme right. MSNBC doesn't have Micheal Moore doing a show, Fox shouldn't have Beck. It's an insult to the idea of American journalism.

ShumaGorath wrote:No major media outlet has an equivalent to Beck. Olberman is at worst a much more accurate and factual O'rielly, and Maddow is MSNBCs Hannity (I don't like her at all, she's too fething smug.)

Olbermann is not more accurate, he has just as much bolshevik as Beck. He is a fething sports broadcaster, not a respectable pundit. Madcow is just as bad, if not worse. I am not justifying Beck at all, but he does have counterparts on other networks.

ShumaGorath wrote:I'm not talking about celebrities. I'm talking about major news outlets. I could just as easily site Mel Gibson, Ben stein, and a hundred others. But no one takes them seriously anyway.

Difference is they don't have a TV program, watched by millions, from which they can spout their political views. If Rosie O'Donnell was able to get up and say that 9/11 was an inside job, that makes it on the list. I don't know how you can justify this any other way, but its not possible.

ShumaGorath wrote:NPR, despite conservative bitching is fairly balanced in presentation of it's news. It's op-ed pieces can often times be fairly skewed, but they at least try to represent the populace at large. Its public radio, if you want to you can get on it, liberal or conservative. Only one side of the spectrum seems to try. NPR has standards, and is not beholden to ratings. It is publicly funded, and is held accountable for it's content. Conservative talk radio is a wall of retardation used to sell sponsored books, tickets, and whatever else is being shilled at the local level. The fact that Limbaugh is often times cited as the voice of the conservative movement, despite being an insane, racist, drug addicted, douchebag, should show well how broken the media structure the conservative spectrum uses is.

No its not representative at all. The country is at least regarded as center right, and NPR is decidedly not. Just last week NPR was saying racism is driving protests against Obama....which even the President knows and says isn't true. That doesn't sound at all representative. I am not going to lie, I have plenty of problems with the conservatives on the radio, but its a proven fact: conservatives dominate radiowaves and liberals control more television. Air America crashed and burned, it really did suck, and the only reason NPR is on the air is because it is publicly funded. Fox is the only conservative network, in a world of 5 major news networks.

ShumaGorath wrote:Actually it isn't. But when you compare Beck to Olberman, you show a total lack of perspective. Which is likely how you can actually think thus

As a professional and trained journalist I can assure you that I have perspective, and am definitely much more qualified than most people to comment on this. Your willingness to disregard Olbermann's inaccuracies, which there are many, and idiocies is reflective of the bias you cling to. Do not presume to lecture me on my lack of perspective when you gloss over the major shortcomings of the left wing commentators.

ShumaGorath wrote:He is not a journalist.

You're right. But Beck has repeatedly declared that he is not a journalist, just like Matt Drudge.

ShumaGorath wrote:He's a shill, a tool, a moron, and an obvious ploy to absorb the viewership of the disaffected extreme right. MSNBC doesn't have Micheal Moore doing a show, Fox shouldn't have Beck. It's an insult to the idea of American journalism.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel. And see previous comment.

Why do I think of Fascism or perhaps Communism suddenly?

JEB_Stuart wrote:So the fact that the children are being forced to swear allegiance and support to a person, not an idea or a nation, isn't disturbing to you? This cult of personality style is only found in systems of government where power is centralized in one mainly one person's hands.

Except they're not being forced to sear allegiance to a person. They're being forced to praise him, vaguely, in song. Its still a stupid thing to do in a public school district, but its not outright indoctrination.

JEB_Stuart wrote:Being corralled into pens outside the DNC in Denver last summer, or did you forget that?

Happened at the RNC in Minneapolis too.





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JEB_Stuart wrote:No its not representative at all. The country is at least regarded as center right, and NPR is decidedly not.

The nation's collective political leaning is essentially whatever you want it to be. Its also irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the average America identifies as center-right, center-left, or top-down. What matters is how they feel about issues, and the stance taken by candidates on those issues. Branding doesn't mean as much as it used to; mostly because of the internet.

JEB_Stuart wrote:
Just last week NPR was saying racism is driving protests against Obama....which even the President knows and says isn't true.

Of course he does. How much traction do you think the race card would grant to a black President? Racism is a component of the protests, not necessarily a large component, but a component none the less. It will be overrepresented in the media because its:
A) Easy to explain.
B) Widely regarded as objectionable.
C) Not immediately apparent from a healthcare protest.

JEB_Stuart wrote:
I am not going to lie, I have plenty of problems with the conservatives on the radio, but its a proven fact: conservatives dominate radiowaves and liberals control more television. Air America crashed and burned, it really did suck, and the only reason NPR is on the air is because it is publicly funded. Fox is the only conservative network, in a world of 5 major news networks.

MSNBC is the only demonstrably liberal network. At least in the sense that Fox is demonstrably conservative. The others waffle around the middle; leaning one way or the other depending on the political climate.

Olbermann is not more accurate, he has just as much bolshevik as Beck. He is a fething sports broadcaster, not a respectable pundit. Madcow is just as bad, if not worse. I am not justifying Beck at all, but he does have counterparts on other networks.

Hardly, he's never cut anyones mic, called the president a racist then 15 seconds later disagreed with himself, he doesn't have a section of his show where he goes over theoretical futures where socialist communist democrats destroy the universe, he is in every way a counterpoint to O'rielly, only with less yelling and actual information backing his assertions. Dubious though you may think that information is, he actually uses it, rather than glossing over it entirely to simply use buzzwords and namecalling.

Difference is they don't have a TV program, watched by millions, from which they can spout their political views. If Rosie O'Donnell was able to get up and say that 9/11 was an inside job, that makes it on the list. I don't know how you can justify this any other way, but its not possible.

2) "I just wish Katrina had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else, just had flooded them out, and I wouldn't have rescued them."

Bill O'rielly on his radio show. O'rielly gets more viewers than O'Donnel ever did.

No its not representative at all. The country is at least regarded as center right, and NPR is decidedly not.

Site something to prove that. The left wing controls the house, senate, and congress. Given the near perfect divide in the 2000 and 2004 elections, and the obvious shift since then where are you getting that statistic?

Just last week NPR was saying racism is driving protests against Obama....which even the President knows and says isn't true.

Were they saying that, or were they covering the fact that an ex president was saying that? Because one of the two is an understandable recourse for a news outlet. Everyone was covering that.

That doesn't sound at all representative. I am not going to lie, I have plenty of problems with the conservatives on the radio, but its a proven fact: conservatives dominate radiowaves and liberals control more television.

That was true before murdoch came along and reinvented televised new (for the worse). The television spectrum has always been at best split, with the news largely slanting center left (though actually historically it found a middle ground, with its endearment of reagan and hatred of the communist witch hunts), while economics tended to slant right. Murdoch polarized the news and reduced it's breadth and meaning immensely with fox news. The other networks have fallen in line quickly.

Air America crashed and burned, it really did suck, and the only reason NPR is on the air is because it is publicly funded. Fox is the only conservative network, in a world of 5 major news networks.

NPR is on the air because it's not a news network, and it's not a liberal soap box. It's public news. It carries local issues, left or right, and its a source for world news and american/international culture. It slants left in op/ed pieces because it's demographic is largely left of center. It wouldn't if conservatives listened to it and participated in more than a moderate fashion. It's easy to get on public radio, no matter your political identity.

Even if it is one of five, it's got such a commanding market share that it contends well. The financial networks also slant very right wing. Which is amusing considering the fact that even in the face of global economic meltdown due to deregulation they still parrot the invisible hand of capitalism, Keynes is rolling over in his grave, even now when all of the most powerful nations on the planet are using his theories to recover the global economy.

As a professional and trained journalist I can assure you that I have perspective, and am definitely much more qualified than most people to comment on this. Your willingness to disregard Olbermann's inaccuracies, which there are many, and idiocies is reflective of the bias you cling to. Do not presume to lecture me on my lack of perspective when you gloss over the major shortcomings of the left wing commentators.

As a fourth year New Media and Mass Communications major (I focus on graphic design, but they reeaaaallly want me to take a lot of classes on mass media sciences) I take umbrage to that. Olberman is not perfect, which is why from the beginning I compared him to O'rielly. The same methodology and obvious political slant, but without the sheer agression and self assuredness in the "gut" that O'rielly clings too. They do the same thing from opposite sides of the fense, O'rielly is just a MUCH bigger douche, and has danced to the beat of a notoriously shady and unlawful/truthful administration for too long for Olberman to be his equal.

You're right. But Beck has repeatedly declared that he is not a journalist, just like Matt Drudge.

Then what the feth is he doing having a show on the largest news network in America? I would say the largest in the world, but the chinese government network kicks the hell out of them.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel. And see previous comment.

Get opinion and editorial pieces out of the news. Period. Thats my opinion. Yellow journalism is going to tear this democracy to pieces and the populace isn't educated enough to be able to discern fact from rambling idiocy.

Thats my opinion.

Shuma wrote:The same methodology and obvious political slant, but without the sheer agression and self assuredness in the "gut" that O'rielly clings too. They do the same thing from opposite sides of the fense, O'rielly is just a MUCH bigger douche, and has danced to the beat of a notoriously shady and unlawful/truthful administration for too long for Olberman to be his equal.

I.E. taking nut shots at a statue is a no win situation Jeb... just saying.

Let me see here... Glenn Obermann... No... doesn't work. Kieth Beck... ummm... most definitely not.

Here we go then. Bill Olbermann... yes, that works just fine; as does Kieth Orielly.... THE PUDDING MAN, THE FRAKKING PUDDING!!!

Yellow journalism is going to tear this democracy to pieces and the populace isn't educated enough to be able to discern fact from rambling idiocy.

This part though... man, if people believe this snap... let the lemmings fall. It sounds like you may learn something from that experience. I am also not sure how such a small viewership would constitute massive fail amongst the people by direct action. Point a to b, has nothing to do with the fall of Rome mate.

If we are what we are, then we shall be what we do. And so forth, on and on with the sickness, and the ill banana. Yes, the crazy tomato will eat you, straight up diggity.

Here we go... neat. Glenn Beck has nothing on this... absolutely frakking nothing; go boil some more frogs, and receive thank you letters from PETA for it Glenn...

That video reminds me of this one:

(Stolen from an earlier thread)

dogma wrote:Of course he does. How much traction do you think the race card would grant to a black President? Racism is a component of the protests, not necessarily a large component, but a component none the less.

This reminds me of when I accidentally locked myself out (because that is how awesome I am) and walked to the Tea Party protest to kill time since it was going on a few blocks away and I just needed to wait an hour. There were a few hundred people there maybe, including a small group of neo-nazis/white supremacists. They are indeed not a large component but they are there.

Deadshane1 wrote:Lyrics -

Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all must lend a hand [?]
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said we must be clear today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said Red, Yellow, Black or White
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
Yes
Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama

I wanna kill, Everyone!
Satan is good,
Satan is our pal!



.....hehe, finished it.

The Burbs, one of the best movies of all time, and my personal Bible

EDIT: looks like the State of NJ is now getting involved.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/elementary-school-students-reportedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/

dogma wrote:Except they're not being forced to sear allegiance to a person. They're being forced to praise him, vaguely, in song. Its still a stupid thing to do in a public school district, but its not outright indoctrination.

Yeah their not swearing allegiance per se, but they are promising to help Obama however they can. That is pretty darn close. Never said it was indoctrination, I just think it is in poor taste and shouldn't be done. This has never been done for an sitting American president before, and it really is just ridiculous. Hero worship on the worst scale.

dogma wrote:Happened at the RNC in Minneapolis too.

Yep, I know. I was just pointing out the fact that Shuma was attributing the abuses against protesters to only the right wing.

dogma wrote:MSNBC is the only demonstrably liberal network. At least in the sense that Fox is demonstrably conservative. The others waffle around the middle; leaning one way or the other depending on the political climate.

CNN is arguably not a moderate network. They have consistently demonstrated a slant to the left. They are called the Clinton News Network for a reason...

ShumaGorath wrote:Hardly, he's never cut anyones mic, called the president a racist then 15 seconds later disagreed with himself, he doesn't have a section of his show where he goes over theoretical futures where socialist communist democrats destroy the universe, he is in every way a counterpoint to O'rielly, only with less yelling and actual information backing his assertions. Dubious though you may think that information is, he actually uses it, rather than glossing over it entirely to simply use buzzwords and namecalling.

So when he compares protesters to Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists, that isn't name calling or using a buzzword? Olbermann is just as bad, just saying....

ShumaGorath wrote:Bill O'rielly on his radio show. O'rielly gets more viewers than O'Donnel ever did.

So saying he wished something bad would happen vs our government plotted against its own people and killed them are equal in your mind? That is really stunted.

ShumaGorath wrote:Site something to prove that. The left wing controls the house, senate, and congress. Given the near perfect divide in the 2000 and 2004 elections, and the obvious shift since then where are you getting that statistic?

Ok here is a report from Gallup that not only sites Conservatives as the single largest ideological group in the US, but also the biggest group in every state. http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx And that of course if from 2009.

ShumaGorath wrote:Were they saying that, or were they covering the fact that an ex president was saying that? Because one of the two is an understandable recourse for a news outlet. Everyone was covering that.

They were saying that. They didn't even bring up Carter...

ShumaGorath wrote:Then what the feth is he doing having a show on the largest news network in America? I would say the largest in the world, but the chinese government network kicks the hell out of them.

Because that is what pundits do. They get a huge program to make money for themselves and the network.

ShumaGorath wrote:Get opinion and editorial pieces out of the news. Period. Thats my opinion. Yellow journalism is going to tear this democracy to pieces and the populace isn't educated enough to be able to discern fact from rambling idiocy.

Thats my opinion.

I think that the media is allowed to be biased, even when I disagree with it, because it can have a moral imperative. To compare this to yellow journalism is incredibly baffling. I haven't even seen anything even coming close to approaching that level.

This is the definition of a storm in a tea-cup.

Out of tens of thousands of schools in the USA, one class in one school were led by one teacher to sing a couple of slightly dodgy songs during a festival to celebrate black American achievement.

There is no suggestion that the teacher's actions were condoned by the school governors, let alone encouraged by them, or sponsored by the local authority, or mandated by the Praise Obama Czar.

There must be some less insignificant issue for Republicans to pick on. What about when Mrs Obama went shopping? Maybe a White House intern used her ID card to avoid a parking ticket, something like that.

I think schools should sing songs in praise of me. If they don't i'll fire every weapon on my Emperor-class titan at said school.