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I'm not saying they aren't offensive. I just think it's crap that all it takes is one person out of 1000 to be offended and that leads to the "supposed" offensive item being banned/removed.

In this country it takes a majority to get anything approved but it takes a minority to get something disapproved. That is where our democratic way of thinking fails.

Fateweaver wrote:Maybe Garrets shirt was offensive from a hate perspective or maybe it said something like "Gay marriage is a sin". Just that alone would get you reprimanded at work or at school.

Good.

A shirt like that is offensive, silly and childish.

But Garret hasn't achualy told us what is on the shirt yet...

Reds8n wrote:..it was probably misspelt and banned on grounds of grammar.

You sir, win a interweb award.

Fateweaver wrote:I'm not saying they aren't offensive. I just think it's crap that all it takes is one person out of 1000 to be offended and that leads to the "supposed" offensive item being banned/removed.

In this country it takes a majority to get anything approved but it takes a minority to get something disapproved. That is where our democratic way of thinking fails.

I blame the ACLU and NAACP, and any "minority" rights group. I also blame the affirmative action movement.

People would rather sue or get on the news for some kind of race related BS, or get a job for being nothing more than the token black guy on the staff. Heaven forbid you actually work for something.

Hasn't the ACLU defended neo-Nazis on Free Speech grounds?

I'd be surprised if they have. The ACLU was in NC a few years back taking a case where a bunch of people protesting a neo-Nazi rally got violent and started assaulting the rally, going so far as to use Molotovs and pepper spray before getting taken down by riot police.

Good.

A shirt like that is offensive, silly and childish.

But Garret hasn't achualy told us yet...

Offensive to 1 person out of 1000 maybe.

To use the analogy that the shirt was offensive if it did indeed say "gay marriage is a sin" I'm offended by the comments I find belittling Garret over his grammar and spelling.

I'M OFFENDED BY THE TEASING AND BELITTLING OF HIM ON DAKKA. DO I GET A FETHING COOKIE NOW? I bet if I complained to Yakface about it, that you, LL would just tell me "well he deserves it, if he can't be bothered to proofread his/her posts than he/she should be teased."

If that's the case than if you are romantically attracted to someone of the same sex and act on it in public you should be teased because it offends me. I'm all for gay rights to some extent so I'm not gay bashing but I find it offensive to see 2 guys kissing/holding hands at Wal-mart but now that I've said so I'll probably get flamed. DOUBLE STANDARD IS DOUBLE STANDARD.

It's not about the message. It's the fact that the damned NAACP and ACLU have made everything in this country offensive to someone that isn't CAUCASIAN (or White to be more general) or who doesn't follow the norm.

Native Pride or Mexican Pride or African Pride shirts are fine and won't get you fired. If I wear a shirt, being that I'm white, that says "White Pride" I'd lose my job. If I wore a button that said "In God we Trust" I'd be asked to remove it.

I think the biggest reason so many Americans fight to hold onto the rights of the First Amendment is because we, the Americans (and still majority people in this country) have more or less lost our First Amendment rights. You can't wear certain clothes to school for fear of expulsion (many schools won't allow the football jersey/cap combo as it's seen to be gang related); you can't do certain things to your hair (one kid had a haircut done that made his hair look like the Cinci Bengals football helmet and he was expelled until his hair grew back out because it violated dress code) but that violates freedom of expression.

8th graders being arrested for throwing food is, in my opinion, the straw that broke the camels back in regards to the government being too far nosy about what goes on. In a lot of ways this country is regressing and not progressing. 30 years ago you wouldn't have seen most shows allowed to be on the air but on the other hand cartoons like Bugs Bunny and Felix the cat wouldn't be allowed on air today. Feth, even Sesame Street has gone down the path of the PC bus.

Fateweaver wrote:well he deserves it, if he can't be bothered to proofread his/her posts than he/she should be teased

I havn't teased Garret about him grammar in a while, now that he tries im fine with it.

He still does mistakes like full stops where there should be commors(spel?) but its a whole lot better then it used to be.

Native Pride or Mexican Pride or African Pride shirts are fine and won't get you fired

Tops like that are still silly and childish. Who the hell needs to go around showing people that there proud to be mexican, american, native, black, white etc.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:well he deserves it, if he can't be bothered to proofread his/her posts than he/she should be teased

I havn't teased Garret about him grammar in a while, now that he tries im fine with it.

He still does mistakes like full stops where there should be commors(spel?) but its a whole lot better then it used to be.

Native Pride or Mexican Pride or African Pride shirts are fine and won't get you fired

Tops like that are still silly and childish. Who the hell needs to go around showing people that there proud to be mexican, american, native, black, white etc.

Someone who is proud of their heritage. What's the difference between a thread on dakka encouraging people to be proud of who they are and tell other dakka users what their heritage is and wearing a tshirt displaying who you are proud to be? Both of them are still bragging/announcing/telling it to the world, just through different mediums.

Silly to you or not my point still stands.

He has gotten better but I've seen just as many spelling/grammar errors from other posters on Dakka who don't get treated anywhere near as harshly as he does. I've come to find out on this forum that if you aren't liked for a certain reason nothing you do matters but those that are liked can commit murder and still be highly regarded and put up on a .

I like dakka for the most part and I personally don't care if what I say offends someone or not. I'll stick around until I get banned. If it's banning for violating dakka policy I'll not fight it, if it's a ban for something I feel is dumb than Yakface will get an earful.

Oh, and LL. Spell check is your friend. Just saying so that you can pull your foot out of your mouth.

Whenever I feel that I spelt a word wrong I always put (spel?) next to it.

I cant be arsed to copy the mis-spelling into word so I can spell check it.

The people I see on Dakka with bad grammar are usualy children, so thats like 15-.

If your over that age, then you should be capable of doing grammar and spelling correctly around 50% of them time.

I dont mind bad grammar as long as people try.

Fate:
I think people pick on Garret because, quite frankly, he even started a sort of "pity party" thread asking why 'everyone hated him'.

That kind of lends towards teasing, in my view at least.

Back on topic:

I'm still okay with the kids having been arrested. It was a crummy circumstance, and if enough kids were involved, then it was mob mentality taking over from reason.

And how do we treat mobs?

Ooooo angry mobs are fun.

I still love to play wif my food, especially when it still alive. Frazz lets BBQ some teen ogres.

G

Kanluwen wrote:Fate:
I think people pick on Garret because, quite frankly, he even started a sort of "pity party" thread asking why 'everyone hated him'.

That kind of lends towards teasing, in my view at least.

Back on topic:

I'm still okay with the kids having been arrested. It was a crummy circumstance, and if enough kids were involved, then it was mob mentality taking over from reason.

And how do we treat mobs?

Well, teasing Garret is off topic. I never once felt compelled to tease him (or anyone) for spelling and grammar.

Arrest for a food fight is beyond reasonable punishment. Detention? Yes. Expulsion? Maybe. Suspension? Maybe. Arrest? Not warranted.

Detention doesn't do jack other than give them time to think about how awesome it was that they got to tear up the cafeteria, and got nothing other than being told to sit in a spot for awhile.
Expulsion?

What 8th grader doesn't want to stop going to school?
Suspension at that age?
You're given a free vacation! Woot!

Sure, the arrest was over the top. But it keeps little Susie's mother from saying "WELL SUSIE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!"(which she would, if it was a detention/expulsion/suspension), and is just another example of the fact that teachers, principals, and other school faculty can't do diddly to actually punish.

Shadowbrand wrote:@horst really?
I wore a shirt with a topless girl with cards in her hand when I was in grade 8. Course I did wear a jacket...

Id totally believe that. When I was in 7th grade I was almost suspended for wearing a Notre Dame tshirt because it had the fighting Irishmen on the front. Thats no joke, my parents had to threaten them with going to the local news and calling a lawyer to get them to back off. And its not like I was IN a fight or something to provoke it, I was literally on my way to lunch when I was stopped.
Gotta love that kind of BS

We wear uniform in the Uk....

Lord-Loss wrote:We wear uniform in the Uk....

In all honesty that would be a great idea. But most schools around here that wear uniforms, are private schools

I have a shirt that says "Viking" pride and I never had to take it off. And alot of Neo-Nazi groups have used Viking symbolism hell the actual SS had Thors Hammer.

Not saying I am one or anything. But you would figure someone would take offense to it, anyhow I find it sad that for being white and simply saying your happy for who you are suddenly! Your racist.

*sigh*

Oh! on the point about native pride shirts.. I'm willing to bet a shirt that said "Black Pride" wouldn't get jack done about and there is the Black Panthers out there.

It said
Yes on 8(the cali ballot defining marriage asa between a man and a women.)
Then it said.
Keep marriage traditional.

LOLWUT?

I dont get it.

Were there kids in the school wearing 'No on 8' shirts?

To be perfectly honest, schools should have their own rules for these kind of things. The main purpose, would likely be for drug related images, and gang related colors and images.

Overall, I don't give a good god damn what people wear, and that comes with idea that you are going to just have to deal with people 'straight-bashing' you for your shirt.

On this same note, in all my years of high school, not once did I see a student wearing direct political messages such as that. Anti-war shirts were common, but nothing along the lines of 'vote this way'. That is surely part of the reason they told you that you could not wear that shirt.

If you are that outraged about it, you should wear the shirt anyway, while carrying around evidence of other students doing the exact same type of thing. It is not that I don't believe that other kids are not doing it, ever; just that I could honestly care less when I really think about it. Personally, I support gay marriage, and if the school feels the same way, more power to them.

I think everyone here is missing the point. These children took food and threw it at each other. Short of putting molotov cocktails in their hands it sounds to me like they were moments away from tearing that school to the ground. The teachers were lucky enough to get a call to authorities in time to derail this train of chaos and carnage. I believe the only way for this school to continue to provide top of the line education to the non-dissidant students is if these dozens of anarchists are removed from society and left to rot in bowels of a juevinile detention center.

Shadowbrand wrote:I have a shirt that says "Viking" pride and I never had to take it off. And alot of Neo-Nazi groups have used Viking symbolism hell the actual SS had Thors Hammer.

It's hard to hate the vikings though. They had giant beards, and hats with big horns on them, and drank lots of mead.

(Our football team is The Vikings too, so that's probably how a shirt saying "Viking Pride" would be interpreted here.)

Wear a Viking pride shirt and you'd get high fived in Mn (and the Vikings are kicking ass and taking names this year).

Look out Detroit, you are on our turf biatches.

Kanluwen wrote:
I blame the ACLU and NAACP, and any "minority" rights group. I also blame the affirmative action movement.

People would rather sue or get on the news for some kind of race related BS, or get a job for being nothing more than the token black guy on the staff. Heaven forbid you actually work for something.

Does that include the "tea party' movement? The NRA? Birthers? Republicans in Congress? Or do you just feel like turning a general comment about the inefficiency of democracy into a bland, and paltry statement about 'lazy' minorities?

Hmmm... that was pretty below the belt there Kanwulen.

The main reason that I no longer believe in racism (true, gritty, mind-blowingly, life-changing racism) is because of how bastardized the concept of racism has become.

Goddam racist cats, trying to take my goddam jobs...

You see, in a nutshell, that is just stupid; not racist. In short, hate crimes exist, but as we are one race; I attribute most hate crime to stupid, rather than any specific goal.

Now calm down, and take a seat, so you can listen to Auto-Tune Kanye West interrupt.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's because there's not a Native American equivalent to the KKK that shouts "Native Pride!".

A.I.M.

dogma wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
I blame the ACLU and NAACP, and any "minority" rights group. I also blame the affirmative action movement.

People would rather sue or get on the news for some kind of race related BS, or get a job for being nothing more than the token black guy on the staff. Heaven forbid you actually work for something.

Does that include the "tea party' movement? The NRA? Birthers? Republicans in Congress? Or do you just feel like turning a general comment about the inefficiency of democracy into a bland, and paltry statement about 'lazy' minorities?

Nope, I'm all for going after anyone who tries to screw over the democratic process with rabblerousing efforts. The recent healthcare bill shenanigans and Palin's commentary on the upcoming Death Camps fits the bill quite nicely there.

HOWEVER.
There is the matter of my own personal experiences and opinions that come from those experiences that affirmative action hurts more than it helps.
YMMV, as always though.

Careful Kan. It just takes offending 1 person to get you in deep water, doesn't matter if 999 others agree.

AA is a joke and it only benefits a small minority of people (pun intended) and it's been my experience as well that leads me to believe that.

FYI Kan, I agree with you.

I'm more inclined to believe that rabble-rousing is a central component of democracy, but that does clarify your intent.