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2009/11/14 05:42:05
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
That I'm not encouraging racism, but railing against stupidity and rewarding poor work ethics/trying to slide by on nothing but your minority?
Just sayin'. I got nothing against minorities, but I dislike the folks who let the fact that they're a minority define themselves and the way they act.
If that makes any sense.
2009/11/14 05:43:03
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
Fateweaver wrote:
AA is a joke and it only benefits a small minority of people (pun intended) and it's been my experience as well that leads me to believe that.
If it only benefits a small group of people, then it can hardly be considered a significant issue. If only 3 people got their jobs because of affirmative action, then only 3 people were denied employment because of affirmative action.
Preemptively: There's no reason to assume that someone who was employed because of affirmative action was less qualified than another person not affected by the policy.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2009/11/14 05:43:27
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
I just think the situation is idiotic. They should have been made to clean the cafeteria up and then WORK in the cafeteria serving food, washing dishes and wiping tables for a month.
I think it would have taught them a better lesson than handcuffs and mugshots. I mean, what 8th grader now days actually would ENJOY good old fashioned, hard work.
8th graders now go apeshit donkey kong if their parents take away cell phone privileges or video game privileges.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/11/14 05:47:59
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
You know though, honestly, for the future of my career; I could consider that a good thing.
Lots and lots of qualified, yet lazy competition in most fields, combined with my years of extra experience. It is beginning to sound like a pretty good deal right there... wait... did my job just go to China?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU...
2009/11/14 06:03:48
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
Fateweaver wrote:
AA is a joke and it only benefits a small minority of people (pun intended) and it's been my experience as well that leads me to believe that.
If it only benefits a small group of people, then it can hardly be considered a significant issue. If only 3 people got their jobs because of affirmative action, then only 3 people were denied employment because of affirmative action.
Preemptively: There's no reason to assume that someone who was employed because of affirmative action was less qualified than another person not affected by the policy.
But there are cases proving that WAS the reason. We need to hire more non-whites because our percentage of Caucasian to non-whites is skewed too far in favor of Caucasians. It happens for that reason, that is what affirmative action sets out to do. Level the playing field in regards to white vs all other races or men vs women (though the race one is the one most used).
If those 3 people were more qualified than the 3 that weren't that got the job due to AA than it IS a problem, it IS an issue and I'm sure those 3 wouldn't be happy about it. AA was put into place to ENSURE equality in the workplace in regards to equality based on race/sex, NOT based on skill. Fact.
So, AA is in place to make sure that for every percentage of caucasians/males in a workplace there is an equal (or near equal) percentage of minorities/women employed as well. If it leans too far in one direction (mostly thought to be too white/male leaning) employers are required by law to rectify the situation, even if it means not hiring a more qualified caucasian/male just so a less qualified minorty/female gets the job, allowing them to balance the "status quo".
That is the point of AA, nothing else. Fact.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/11/14 07:26:13
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
Fateweaver wrote:
But there are cases proving that WAS the reason.
Its impossible to prove that a person who wasn't hired would have been more competent than one who was, regardless of race. One can speculate, but the only logical conclusion one can arrive at is: person X was hired because he was sufficiently qualified for the position, and satisfied affirmative action policy requirements.
If you want to claim that the most qualified person should always be hired for any given position, then I should be very upset about the fact that I was turned away by Subway for a lack of experience in the sandwich industry; despite having a BA with 2 majors and 2 minors, plus a long list of academic/professional achievements.
Fateweaver wrote:
If those 3 people were more qualified than the 3 that weren't that got the job due to AA than it IS a problem, it IS an issue and I'm sure those 3 wouldn't be happy about it.
Sure, for those 3 people, but policy isn't set in order to please a small number of people. Or at least it shouldn't be.
That said, qualification doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the length of one's resume. It is quite possible to be overqualified for a position. I was overqualified for the the Subway position, and the hiring manager knew it. He knew I would be looking elsewhere while working there, and so he didn't bother putting me on the payroll. This happens all the time.
Fateweaver wrote:
AA was put into place to ENSURE equality in the workplace in regards to equality based on race/sex, NOT based on skill. Fact.
Yes, it is/was meant to control for racial bias.
Fateweaver wrote:
So, AA is in place to make sure that for every percentage of caucasians/males in a workplace there is an equal (or near equal) percentage of minorities/women employed as well.
Not necessarily. The policy varies from employer to employer, but in general its simply preferential status for people of minority heritage. The quota system, which generated most of the horror stories, is a thing of the past.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2009/11/14 11:14:03
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
The thing about being in a minority is that the majority of society defines you as a minority.
It's hard for people who are in the majority to understand how minorities are affected.
It's interesting to see the reactions of white Americans who move to Japan and encounter the fairly casual racial discrimination that exists over there. Things such as being unable to rent a flat because you're foreign, or constantly being stopped by the police to check your passport or Alien Registration Card, because you're foreign.
Kilkrazy wrote:The thing about being in a minority is that the majority of society defines you as a minority.
Defining the majority accurately is a pretty tough job though. I suppose it is quite easy, when the choices are boiled down to four or five color tones.
It's hard for people who are in the majority to understand how minorities are affected.
That is why it is important to fight the real battles, while letting the nonsense take care of itself. The use of the "N" word is a prime example of how diluted controversy can be about spoken racism. As long as it is not a major figure, I could usually care less what some poop mouthed person has to say.
It's interesting to see the reactions of white Americans who move to Japan and encounter the fairly casual racial discrimination that exists over there. Things such as being unable to rent a flat because you're foreign, or constantly being stopped by the police to check your passport or Alien Registration Card, because you're foreign.
So that is just a 'cultural' thing? Racism is just one of those things that really confuses me. Not to say that other -isms, are not strange as well. The only thing I can imagine as a 'real' reason for being racist, is fear. Fear of change maybe? Not too sure, Japan does not seem like it is particularly averse to change.
2009/11/14 11:55:41
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
Fateweaver wrote:Wear a Viking pride shirt and you'd get high fived in Mn (and the Vikings are kicking ass and taking names this year).
Look out Detroit, you are on our turf biatches.
Hey Detroit is in my state.....wait you threatened the Lions? Uh you know those guys are probably the worst team EVER in football right? thats like picking on the handicapped kid in your school
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2009/11/14 13:00:04
Subject: 8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
Fateweaver wrote:I'm not saying they aren't offensive. I just think it's crap that all it takes is one person out of 1000 to be offended and that leads to the "supposed" offensive item being banned/removed.
In this country it takes a majority to get anything approved but it takes a minority to get something disapproved. That is where our democratic way of thinking fails.
I blame the ACLU and NAACP, and any "minority" rights group. I also blame the affirmative action movement.
People would rather sue or get on the news for some kind of race related BS, or get a job for being nothing more than the token black guy on the staff. Heaven forbid you actually work for something.
DEY TOOK OWR JOBS!
2009/11/14 13:09:36
Subject: Re:8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
It's interesting to see the reactions of white Americans who move to Japan and encounter the fairly casual racial discrimination that exists over there. Things such as being unable to rent a flat because you're foreign, or constantly being stopped by the police to check your passport or Alien Registration Card, because you're foreign.
So that is just a 'cultural' thing? Racism is just one of those things that really confuses me. Not to say that other -isms, are not strange as well. The only thing I can imagine as a 'real' reason for being racist, is fear. Fear of change maybe? Not too sure, Japan does not seem like it is particularly averse to change.
I don't think the Japanese are any more racist or culturalist than any other people.
Racism arises in my view because of human psychology which leads people unconsciously to form groups and discriminate against people outside their group. It would take quite a long essay to go into it so I'm not going to write about it here.
It's not to do with change, as such.
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Fateweaver wrote:Wear a Viking pride shirt and you'd get high fived in Mn (and the Vikings are kicking ass and taking names this year).
Look out Detroit, you are on our turf biatches.
Hey Detroit is in my state.....wait you threatened the Lions? Uh you know those guys are probably the worst team EVER in football right? thats like picking on the handicapped kid in your school
I'm sorry you were forced to admit that. I'll try not to laugh when we are walking all over them like a handicapped man pushed onto the ground in front of a surging crowd on Black Friday.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/11/14 21:47:53
Subject: Re:8th graders arrested for FOOD FIGHT at school
Don't taze me bro was hilarious, as I recall the "don't taze me bro" guy acting like a jackass prior to being chased around by security.
(Not that he really deserved being shocked, but still. He sort of did.)
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
-to many points to bother to count.