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ShumaGorath wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:There is going to be more of this sort of thing, as the economy and the situation in general continues to get worse. I had great hope for Obama at first, but now it seems like he's no better than Bush, just a better public speaker.

He's been in office all of one year.

The president also does not occupy the place of superman. Just a thought...

Compared to Bush Jr, Obama is the greatest freaking orator of all time, due to Bush Jr's lack of a flexible jaw. I have to say that I am not displeased at this point with President Obama, I am definitely pissed off at the senate though.

sexiest_hero wrote:that's why we have the power of vote.we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the people in power. I don't understand what the dead whako did at all. you think you have been treated unfairly? So do lots of other people. Think the government isn't working right? well one side or the other will always feel that way in a two party system. Taxes don't seem fair to you? look around at al the things taken for granted, then visit a 3rd world country. Protest, be an informed voter, run for office.

Don't burn down you house with wife and kids inside and ram a plane into a building of people. Then call yourself a patriot after what happened in 9/11. then say violence is the only answer.

That's just BS BS BS BS and more BS.

I'm mad at the American government so I'm going to ram a plane into a building, just like a terrorist, but I'm a patriot.

He hates the American government, and Christianity, and says the only way to solve things is bloodshed.

sound familiar?

Word. Anyone with this view can suck my blls. Death to them.

I read the whole suicide manifesto and I felt for the guy. It sounded like he had been pushed to the edge of despair by circumstances, then just enough farther to fall off the edge.

OTOH when he decided to relocate from California to Texas, maybe he should have researched the engineering job market beforehand, instead of assuming it was going to be great.

We only heard his side of the story. On the basis of his lack of good sense in the job move, I suspect he did some other silly things which contributed to the trouble he got into.

Still, a sad story for everyone.

The fether tried to kill his family when he burned his house down, but the mother and kids managed to get out. I feel for this guy NOT AT ALL.

Frazzled wrote:The fether tried to kill his family when he burned his house down, but the mother and kids managed to get out. I feel for this guy NOT AT ALL.

Word...


To your mother. If you've got a problem, yo, I'll solve it. Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it.

The note was interesting. A lot of it (aside from the healthcare bits) read a great deal like a lot of Libertarian rhetoric I remember from the 80s when my family was heavily involved in the party.

I agree that the note arouses some sympathy, but remember that this is his perspective. It does seem like he made a lot of bad financial decisions, particularly in regards to what sounds like trying to set up as a religious nonprofit for tax purposes.

And the minute he set his house on fire with his family in it, he lost any call to any moral high ground. He must have been suffering from some mental illness, but that doesn’t make the behavior any less awful.

Kilkrazy wrote:I read the whole suicide manifesto and I felt for the guy. It sounded like he had been pushed to the edge of despair by circumstances, then just enough farther to fall off the edge.

OTOH when he decided to relocate from California to Texas, maybe he should have researched the engineering job market beforehand, instead of assuming it was going to be great.

We only heard his side of the story. On the basis of his lack of good sense in the job move, I suspect he did some other silly things which contributed to the trouble he got into.

Still, a sad story for everyone.

^This

I relocated from California to Colorado and found out when I got there, there was virtually no software industry. I was screwed, pissed, and angry about my mistake. What did I do?
I moved back to Cali, kept job hunting until I found an awesome job, and now I am salary and have a nice home for my family. No plane required, but warning: Taking the bus from CA to CO is a 30 hour trip... Especially with an infant

Like I said earlier, and echoing KK, I feel for the guy. The note, AS IS, paints a very sad picture I can relate with.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I agree with Dogma, KK and Wrex et al that the note is by no means the whole story. There is always a causal event when something unexpected happens... Always. Even if it may be unknown to us at the time...

The thing I cannot wrap my head around is the fact that he tried to make his family pay for his mistakes too by burnt his house down, and then he drove a freaking plane into a building. Gak, do what I do:
Call up government agency screwing with you and belligerently yell at people about your problem. The worst thing they can do is hang up, and you might actually luck out and get a compassionate person who will help you.

But I have a feeling that this guy did a pretty good job at screwing himself initially. I do feel the IRS did feth with him unjustly, but only after he fethed up first (we still don't know how) and tried to go legit. Kinda like crying wolf, I guess...

He may or may not have had sympathetic circumstances. At the end of the day he opted to set fire to his house while his wife and kids were in there and set off to go crash a plane into some innocents. Unfair tax policy doesn't really cut it as a defence. Nothing short of full blown psychosis would.


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Fateweaver wrote:Naw Orkeo.

I think most conspiracy theorists were liberals who hated Bush.

Do you pay any attention at all to the world?

The NWO/One World Government... created by either a deceptive UN or a submissive US.

The Clintons killed people, particularly Vince Foster.

Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

Black helicopters.

Death panels.

sebster wrote:He may or may not have had sympathetic circumstances. At the end of the day he opted to set fire to his house while his wife and kids were in there and set off to go crash a plane into some innocents. Unfair tax policy doesn't really cut it as a defence. Nothing short of full blown psychosis would.

Sebbie again ha the right of it. I'm clearly not smoking the right crack. this is like three times in three days.

sebster wrote:Do you pay any attention at all to the world?

The NWO/One World Government... created by either a deceptive UN or a submissive US.

The Clintons killed people, particularly Vince Foster.

Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

Black helicopters.

Death panels.

Well... even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

I don't think Bill had the balls to do it though. I think he held Vince down while Hillary pulled the trigger.

The Green Git wrote:

sebster wrote:Do you pay any attention at all to the world?

The NWO/One World Government... created by either a deceptive UN or a submissive US.

The Clintons killed people, particularly Vince Foster.

Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

Black helicopters.

Death panels.

Well... even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

I don't think Bill had the balls to do it though. I think he held Vince down while Hillary pulled the trigger.

Green Git. As ever, the classiest guy in the room.

Frazzled wrote:Sebbie again ha the right of it. I'm clearly not smoking the right crack. this is like three times in three days.

Hmmm, that won't do.

This is all the fault of the Tea Partiers!



(is that better?)

And now... he's being hailed as a 'hero'... With his own facebook fanclub.

Someone over there go beat these folks with a stick.

http://www.alternet.org/news/145734/man_who_crashed_plane_into_irs_building_posted_online_manifesto_%28and_gets_right-wing_macabre_facebook_fan_page%29?page=1

Well, that was bound to happen eventually.

Saw the building last night. You can see where the plane hit the concrete before hitting the building itself. The building's pretty messed up.


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Looks like the daughter is a nutjob as well.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/joe-stacks-daughter-samantha-bell-calls-dad-hero/story?id=9903329

The daughter of the man who carried out a suicide plane attack against the IRS in Texas said she considered her father a hero for standing up to "the system" but said the attack that killed a government worker and injured 12 was "inappropriate" and "wrong."

Joe Stack's daughter says father's act was "inappropriate" but understandable.

More Photos"His last actions, the suicide, the catastrophe that caused injuries and death, that was wrong," Samantha Bell, Stack's daughter from his first marriage, told "Good Morning America" in a morning television exclusive telephone interview that aired today. "But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished. But I do not agree with his last action with what he did. But I do agree about the government."

When "Good Morning America" asked if she considered her father a "hero," Bell, 38, said, "Yes, because now maybe people will listen."

When you act outside the law, you are the true un American. It's crazy how a person can do th same thing a terrorist does and be called a hero. Taxes are lower this year, but nobody cares. Lets blame the government and kill innocent people. Yes people who work for the government are innocent. they have families. I hated Bush and spat on the trickle down, deregulation mess republicans caused (IMHO). Never once did I speak of a bloody coup, or leaving the Union, or calling somebody Un-american. And now this, to condone murder for political gain, goes against everything America stands for. This country is the greatest in the world (IMHO) we live in freedoms people only dream of and waste more the most people will ever see. If you don't like the way things are here and you don't have the backbone to fight the right way, get the hell out, don't murder people.


Terrorism is Terrorism

Frazzled wrote:
Looks like the daughter is a nutjob as well.

Sounds more like a daughter trying to grant her father some semblance of dignity.

When "Good Morning America" asked if she considered her father a "hero," Bell, 38, said, "Yes, because now maybe people will listen." Bell later called "Good Morning America" to retract her statement and say unequivocally that her father was "not a hero."

Rather, she said the only hero involved in the attack was its victim, Vietnam veteran Vernon Hunter, the only person besides Stack killed in the attack.

"I don't want to hurt anybody," Bell said. "We are mourning for Vernon Hunter."

"His last actions, the suicide, the catastrophe that caused injuries and death, that was wrong," Bell said in the aired interview. "But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished. But I do not agree with his last action with what he did. But I do agree about the government."

Suicide essay is too long.

Terrorist method of attack used..

Danny Crane would be unimpressed.

Shooting them is the american way.