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I couldn't see myself buying a full female SM figure. I like the idea of female SM's, but I'd do it in a conservative manner, not over-emphasizing the femininity. To that end, I'd be the first to buy a few heads compatible with SM torsos that have feminine facial features, tomboyish haircuts, and Space Marine accouterments, such as scars/service studs, bionics and rebreathers. I might go for some boobed power armor, but only if it's done very tastefully.

Regardless, when I get my hands on the BA codex, I really want to do a female Sanguinary Priest for some reason.

Captain Shrike wrote:Maby:

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But, seriosly, Power armour would obscure all features.

The only thing worse then a female space marine is an anime female space marine...

Well since this seems to be an informal poll; I personally would not be interested unless they could reasonably pass for Sisters of Battle.

Not power armour but still:

CT GAMER wrote:
The only thing worse then a female space marine is an anime female space marine...

/thread.

Jollydevil wrote: The first point was already made, and I have already admitted it was a mistake of mine to say that. On the other part though, you are very much wrong. Armor for the men of the space marines is totally different from womens. Its like clothing. Do women fit comfortably in mens clothing? No. Thats why they make womens sized clothing. As for the guns, this follows the same ideas about police handguns. The reason why police officers cary an M9 and not a .45 is because the M9 was produced to fit womens hands better, since there are more women cops now adays.

You are missing the point: The female parts are not the difficult factor here with small exception. Differences in sizes between humans in general cause most of the rework in armor. To go with your clothing example, not only can my wife only kind of wear my clothing (which doesn't stop her from pulling on my sweat pants or shirts when she wants to paint) but also I can not readily wear my brother in law's clothing, as he is about 100 pounds heavier than I am and 2 inches shorter.
To give a better example, my armor is made for me. It fits guys about my size pretty well. My helmet though is shaped differently than most, and is usually a hair big for most guys, making it difficult for them to see out of the front. Likewise my greaves are too long for my father who is actually an inch taller than me, but my bracers are too tight for him. The point of all that is that armor is exceedingly dependant on the size of the wearer and the shape, beyond gender issues. Boobs and bigger hips are not nearly so troublesome as long legs or skinny/fat waists, and the latter are not gender dependant. Since you are reworking armor specific to the wearer in any case, male and female distinctions are irrelevant.

Also, the police thing is not relevant. That decision was made by politico's who know nothing about firearms and training for their use. In fact you will find that many police officers are terrible shots, mostly because their gun is merely a tool of the job, and one whose use is avoided. Most serious shooters do not have issues along those lines, outside of extreme cases of handsize, and most can be adjusted with grips. Not to mention the fact that most rifle grips are 100% alterable, being designed as an add on to the weapon, not integral to the design as a pistol is. There is no reason why a bolt pistol or bolter that have their magazines fed forward of the handle would not have such flexibility. Likewise, plasma, las and melta also all have ammunition feeds seperate, so really there nothing going on in the grip.


As to purchasing, given that I have ~100 SoBs floating around, I wouldn't be looking to pick up any as stand ins for them most likely, but I would definitely be looking for females in powered armor, even if it wasn't a straight SM style. Saying one can file down SOB armor is pretty silly, given that there are about 8 total poses, all of which are metal and 4 of which have weapons molded into their torso which seriously limits the conversions. Not to mention that fact that I at least would like a less over the top religious armor for RT characters and the like in addition to pimped out Inquisitors etc.
And Dr Thunder's boys do good work, but they are a bit pricey I thought. My price point has probably changed a bit since then, but conversion bits for more femine scaled power armor, perhaps with different shoulder styles etc would be great.

Agreed, even though SM's are genhanced there still as diffrent from eachother as we are, therefore, all armour would be coustom fitted.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:This idea has already been done.
Its well past the point of dead horse, and its on to Necromancy.


YOU need to PM Doc Thunder. I'm not going into details, but he's the one to talk to. You want female space marines? He's the one to talk to.

I think it might be neat for a gag, but to play a game, I don't think female space marines work very well.


As for the Female Space Marines, Sisters of battle have the armor, you jusdt have to file off the flure de le's and call it a day.
THAT would be your so called female space marines.

Bear in mind that any run of the mill marine would probibly shoot her in the face, if she wasn't designated to be in the mission area, as a threat.

I've seen examples of what happens when someone other then designated combatants wants to get in the mix and try to play army. They usually end up on the buisness end of a bolter.

Putting anyone other then a space marine in power armor is paramount to heresy. Your little wannabe space marine girls are going to get thier heads ripped off for playing around with the armor that has been designated specificly for the Adeptus Astartes.

Do you know the penalty for unauthorized modification of Imperial equipment? Its death.
Under several regulations, your little girls are going to be flogged, sent to a penal legion, or shot on site by the nearest commisar.

For one, there are no female space marines. You are either Sisters, or Inquisition, thats it. IG are low rung troops, and they are in line with everyone else.

Space marines are more then likely going to shoot anyone other then a space marine who ends up in power armor.

And to wear the power armor, you need to be modified, so to speak. Void has a couple of examples of what a female looks like in power armor, and They look just like you would think they look. same as your bubblegum crisis BS.

Seeing how the Imperium thinks about technology in the first place, the idea just doesn't fit.

Achem: I've already talked to Doc, on numerous occasions. I'm aware of his CSMs and several other people's female Space marine minis. However, I'm looking to go a step beyond that. Most of them, so far, have just done headswaps or greenstuffed BS. The amount of heat that the issue seems to generate strikes me as a potential market, and assuming only 10% of the people screaming about them online one way or the other were to buy some, it'd probably be profitable.

And your ranting bravado does not phase me. The last guy freaked when he saw that I have quite a few of TPCs female cadians and gave me a similar rant that the Imperium requires all women to be barefoot and pregnant. His smurfs discovered that IG tanks and artillery don't care if the gunners have tits or not.

Go on and have fun with that, it's fun to watch you taking this to this level of nerdrage.

Its almost fun to watch you get this worked up over something that is so trivial, if it wasn't so slowed in the explination of WHY you want them.


What, you think you WON against marines just because your IG had tits? didn't have anything to do with TANKS AND ARTILLERY, must have been the T and A that was the secret weapon.

Looking forward to seeing your efforts, though. I need a laugh even more then this has given me.

Try again, chief.

But the assumption here is that all power armor is form fitted. That might be true, but considering that each set is supposedly a holy relic, that might be worn by dozens of marines over the centuries, I find refitting it to each new wearer to be implausible, except for in a few circumstances, like the Wolfblade Haegr.

That said, we're dealing with tremendously advanced armor here. Whats to say that the internal comfort layer (I'm assuming there's some sort of internal foam layer for comfort) doesn't adjust to the wearer when it it donned, sort of like that set of clothes in Back to the Future.

Commander Endova wrote:But the assumption here is that all power armor is form fitted. That might be true, but considering that each set is supposedly a holy relic, that might be worn by dozens of marines over the centuries, I find refitting it to each new wearer to be implausible, except for in a few circumstances, like the Wolfblade Haegr.

That said, we're dealing with tremendously advanced armor here. Whats to say that the internal comfort layer (I'm assuming there's some sort of internal foam layer for comfort) doesn't adjust to the wearer when it it donned, sort of like that set of clothes in Back to the Future.

Space Marine Codex. It mentions on page 20 how Power Armour is maintained by the artificers and the customization process that's gone through for "notable individuals and heroes of the Chapter alike".

It's not too far fetched to assume the same process can be done when the Power Armour is first gifted to the new Battle-Brothers.

Ahh. Good eyes Kanluwen.

First and most importantly, Anime is an abomination. Horrible, crudely drawn stuff. Sorry, I'm just not a fan. I've never understood the apeal of Japanese comics and cartoons. To each his own I suppose....


Anyway, want female space marines? Get your hands on some of these RT female adventurers in power armour:



The second one is fairly common amongst the collector community, but the first one not so much. I've only see a couple of them over the years. They are not the most attractive gals in the world, but at least their armour is a bit more realistic/practical than some other depictions I've seen.


TR

Yikes. we've come a long way since the RT days.

I hope whatever BaronIveagh comes out with it better than that, regardless of feminine features or refitted armor.

Let's all not get too hot under the collar here people, it is just toy soldiers we're talking about. Ta.

"Customization process" for armor is admittedly pretty vague. I think real-world medieval armor was generally fitted to the wearer as well, which probaby was used as a model for for the Space Marines.

Still, customization could be 'grabbing parts from supplies to make a set that fits' to 'custom fabrication' or anything in between. ('Grabbing parts' meaning Bob the Space Marine gets a size 12 pair of boots, an extra-long set of lower legs, and smaller helmet because he has a strangely small head.

On the other hand, you have the rare allowed mutations that might require a lot more work to accommodate... Like the Black Dragn chapter?

the M9 was produced to fit womens hands better

Wrong. A M9 has a much thicker grip than the .45 (m1911). The staggered magazines allowing the 15 round capacity are way thicker than the mags for th .45, hence the wider grip. Since most females have smaller hands, the .45 actually is easier for them to hold.

Jake

Balance: Yea, you have a good point. It is quite possible that there is a stash of armor bits kept in the armories for different sizes of boots and the like. I don't know that the fluff supports this, but then I don't think the fluff really takes that sort of "practical" aspect into account. I don't read that the chapters keep a bits closet for armor, but then I don't think the idea of passing down full suits from dead marine A to scout B with little adjustment is really feasible. I suspect there is a good bit of tweaking that has to be done, either replacing sections (difficult due to mechanical musculature and machine spirits perhaps?) or tweaking parts (also possibly impossible?).

I wonder if most chapters wouldn't end up making their own sets of armor in small batches, rather than still ordering from huge Forgeworlds, unless they suddenly needed a few hundred at once. Maybe the techmarines pump out 5-10 sets a year tops to replace really mangled sets, and a few bits here and there, but when a company gets smashed to bits in a really rough engagement they have to put in a bigger order?

That would be a fun supply chain to figure out for a class project. Engineer to Order power armor vs Make to Order vs Make to Stock.
I wonder if Forgeworlds have clearance sales on last year's Marks and Styles
"Uhm... Forgefather? We have a surplus of Mark IV powerarmor in XXL sizes. Some 100 units were not needed by the Salamanders due to lower than expected losses after the Legion of the Damned showed up and turned the tide of orks aside."
"Curses... well, put an ad on Craig's List and see if you can move them for 30% off. We need to make room for the new spring time corvus helms and shoulder sets. They are all the rage on Terra this year!"

Forge Worlds aren't responsible for producing Astartes armour as far as I've seen.

Add in that Chapters go incredibly out of their way to recover Powered Armour suits (or Traitor Legions like the Night Lords and newer Chapters tend to scavenge battlefields looking for the stuff), there's not really that big of a need for brand new Power Armour. It's partly why the Astartes are able to be so independent: most of the Marines know how to maintain their equipment and know how to scavenge to make the best of what they can find, if needed.

Breotan wrote:This does a lot of things, but "sparks fear into the enemies of the Emperor" isn't one of them.

kick ass, just add some fluff and give me more of them the Blood Angels don't discriminate. Do they come in multi parts for those who love to model is my question. Any one with info, hook me up


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Trench-Raider wrote:First and most importantly, Anime is an abomination. Horrible, crudely drawn stuff. Sorry, I'm just not a fan. I've never understood the apeal of Japanese comics and cartoons. To each his own I suppose....


Anyway, want female space marines? Get your hands on some of these RT female adventurers in power armour:



The second one is fairly common amongst the collector community, but the first one not so much. I've only see a couple of them over the years. They are not the most attractive gals in the world, but at least their armour is a bit more realistic/practical than some other depictions I've seen.


TR

Not knocking but those models look horrid, maybe they can scare an opposing army to death

They're pretty old models and, well, it was the 80s. Things were different back then, what with the punk rock and big shoulders and wearing an onion on our belts because that was the style......

Good points Kanluwen. I might guess that some forgeworlds have closer connections with certain chapters than others, but you are probably right that most armor creation takes place within the chapter itself, along with retrofitting and replacing parts from scavenged suits.

Still, it would pose problems when suits got entirely destroyed, say by a landing ship being shot down and falling apart in the atmosphere, or Brother Steve getting eaten by a tyranid or something. If 50 marines lost to a lander getting vaporized in low orbits are to be replaced quickly, there must be either a stock of armor pieces around to cobble things together, or the ability to ramp up production quickly. If the latter, it removes the need for really any of the former. Or maybe they just don't get replaced quickly.

I dunno, probably some good chapter fluff to be written there either way. And on topic, nothing that dictates that relatively large swings in wearer size can not be acomodated for.

Apologies from someone not well versed in the games history, but I have seen a number of arguements that GW had not nor ever will male female SM's.

Did GW issue the above Rogue Trader figures please?
If so it would suggest the issue of no female SM's is now redundant?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Apologies from someone not well versed in the games history, but I have seen a number of arguments that GW had not nor ever will make female SM's.

Did GW issue the above Rogue Trader figures please?
If so it would suggest the issue of no female SM's is now redundant?

Yes, they issued the figures.

And no, they were not female Space Marines. They were mispackaged as such at one point, but were always intended to be sold under the title "Female Adventurer in Power Armour".

So no, still no basis for female Space Marines.


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Wehrkind wrote:Good points Kanluwen. I might guess that some forgeworlds have closer connections with certain chapters than others, but you are probably right that most armor creation takes place within the chapter itself, along with retrofitting and replacing parts from scavenged suits.

Still, it would pose problems when suits got entirely destroyed, say by a landing ship being shot down and falling apart in the atmosphere, or Brother Steve getting eaten by a tyranid or something. If 50 marines lost to a lander getting vaporized in low orbits are to be replaced quickly, there must be either a stock of armor pieces around to cobble things together, or the ability to ramp up production quickly. If the latter, it removes the need for really any of the former. Or maybe they just don't get replaced quickly.

I dunno, probably some good chapter fluff to be written there either way. And on topic, nothing that dictates that relatively large swings in wearer size can not be accommodated for.

From what I understand: The Chapters maintain a large armory that consists of spare and leftover parts from when they refit suits. They're all lovingly maintained and kept in top fighting condition, it's just it seems the Artificers have a rather large leeway in how they choose to equip their masters and their masters themselves seem to have 'salvage rights' as it were.

Thanks for the clarification
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Kanluwen wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Apologies from someone not well versed in the games history, but I have seen a number of arguments that GW had not nor ever will make female SM's.

Did GW issue the above Rogue Trader figures please?
If so it would suggest the issue of no female SM's is now redundant?

Yes, they issued the figures.

And no, they were not female Space Marines. They were mispackaged as such at one point, but were always intended to be sold under the title "Female Adventurer in Power Armour".

So no, still no basis for female Space Marines.

As a general rule, it seems 40k has a big 'fluff discontinuity' somewhere around the 2nd to 3rd edition rules change: The Space Marines have changed a lot themselves, as have many other aspects of the background (like Eldar with lasguns no longer being common).

Balance wrote:
As a general rule, it seems 40k has a big 'fluff discontinuity' somewhere around the 2nd to 3rd edition rules change: The Space Marines have changed a lot themselves, as have many other aspects of the background (like Eldar with lasguns no longer being common).

That's part of it, but another part is that some things were just inappropriately labeled. Those two female Adventurer models always crop up in threads about female SMs and always are pointed at as "definitive proof that female Marines exist!".

I'd love to get a sticky started on things like that and "Do Cadian women serve in the Cadian militaries?"(Answer: Yes, they do. BUT the vast majority of female Cadians serving are serving in the Cadian Interior Guard or as bodyguard details on board the orbital defenses). Maybe call it "Is it fluff enough?".

GW will never issue 'real female Space Marines' because a huge amount of the game's fluff and aura of awesomeness is bound up in the SM = superman = super warrior concept.

That is what most new players buy into.

A properly done female Marines army would undermine the ethos.

However there are still plenty of people who would like female marines, and don't want the trouble and cost of buying and converting SoBs.

Kilkrazy wrote:If people want to argue about the feasibility of female Space Marines they should go and do it in the thread in 40K Background.

This thread is for discussing the feasibility of resin model female Space Marines.

As noted, this thread is about "Would you buy female Space Marine figures" and not "Do you think female Space Marines are possible?"

This is now the extra (+1) "Stay On Topic" warning.

Past this point, choosing to ignore this can lead to suspensions.

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:
As a general rule, it seems 40k has a big 'fluff discontinuity' somewhere around the 2nd to 3rd edition rules change: The Space Marines have changed a lot themselves, as have many other aspects of the background (like Eldar with lasguns no longer being common).

That's part of it, but another part is that some things were just inappropriately labeled. Those two female Adventurer models always crop up in threads about female SMs and always are pointed at as "definitive proof that female Marines exist!".

I think it's also because they do look to be wearing Space Marine style armor as opposed to the much different SoB armor. Note the shoulder pads and shape of the leg armor pieces. This doesn't mean much, as older Inquisitors wore that style of armor, too... I have one somewhere that also needed a Space marine style backpack.

(It's the old 'flat' Inquisitor with the goofy hat they used to sell as bitz up until Daemonhunter came out and a better Inquisitor model was released.)

A lot of the early 40k minis were definitely done on the basis of "because it's cool" and then the rules and setting were made up to fit them in, I think.

I'm all about undermining ethos + profit. Here's the thing, guys: once more, we've heard a lot about fluff, but not much about 'Do you think people would buy it?"

Example: this is discussed in another thread, but say I produce X number of fem marine bits to make your own fem marine army. Would there be, say, 80 people in the whole of the internet that would but it? 800? 8000?

Thoughts?