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This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....












If you want bewbs, go buy a magazine, for Gods sake.

I think female space marines are a silly idea.

Females in powered armour, on the other hand...

Jollydevil wrote:
2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces (Im not trying to be sexist here, so im sorry if i offend any of you women out there )
3. Whats the piont of producing the armor to fit women if there are only a couple of them? Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.

I don't know about point 1, but your later two points are both incorrect, unfortunately.

2: Imperial fluff dictates expressly that the IG takes all manner of recruits from all over. For whatever reason, GW neglected to make more than a few female Commisars and infantry, but some models do exist to back up the fluff characters of female militants found in all the novels and the like. Not to mention Inquisitors, Sisters of Battle, Rogue Traders etc. that all requisition or purchase power armor.

3: Armor to fit women isn't very different from armor that fits men. Turns out women have 2 arms and legs attached nearly exactly like their male counterparts, with only slight variations for diameter in other areas. A larger concern would be that no manner of armor as all encompassing as power armor works in a one size fits all manner, and would need fairly extensive modification for each new user, male or female.
As to the guns, no... really no. Firstly women, again having nearly the same bone and muscle structure as men (though the fist actually does have some minor differences of note) do not generally need different handles for rifles or pistols than a similarly sized male, or even a fairly dissimilar male. Some might find certain grip styles more or less comfortable, whether male or female. For example, I dislike the grip shape of a Glock 22 .40 because the rounded grip doesn't feel right compared the Colt 1911 .45 I prefer. My 5'4 asian wife, however, has no preference between them. It is a common misconception that there are guns for girls as opposed to man type guns, but in reality there is very little issue around it, relating more to the upper body strength of the firer and the sort of hand design differences that adjustable grips solve quite nicely.

More on topic , females in power armor would be excellent for Inquisitors and Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy Characters. I would like to purchase 5-10 please.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I am moving this thread to Dakka Discussions. It is a general discussion rather than a specific proposal about sculpting a new range of figures.

Um, Kill, actually, that was exactly what the thread was about: would anyone be interested in starting a new line of bits if I financed it. That's a very clear discussion modeling discussion, not a general one.

What I mean is, the thread says in a general way, would anyone like some resin female Space Marines if someone made some. That's more of a discussion topic IMO.

I would expect a P&M thread to be more, "Here is how I made some female Space Marines, would anyone like some? If there is enough demand I will cast them." Of course if someone did post such a thread, it would probably get deleted for violating GW's IP.

Back on topic, I would buy some if they were done well. I like the pic of the female SM with the plasma pistol. It's clearly feminine, slightly exaggerated without being too cartoony, and I like the style.

However the detailing may be too close to standard GM figures to avoid IP violation.

I probably wouldn't make a whole army but I would be happy to buy a dozen or so to mix in with my GW marines, or for use in SF role-playing.

That female SM looks like an anime artist's rendition of a female Marine. Blah.

Yeah, I don't see how you can say that isn't cartoony, it looks like it walked right out of an anime parodying 40k.

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, I don't see how you can say that isn't cartoony, it looks like it walked right out of an anime parodying 40k.

Agreed,I'm in the "don't give a feth" catagory concerning the "Female SM debate",but that mini does indeed look like an anime sculpt.

Steelmage99 wrote:This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....

Beat me to it. If you want women in SM power armor, just find some heads you like and put those on. Otherwise, for the size of the armor that Marines wear, any modifications to accommodate the physical differences of the female body are all going to be internal. Externally, there's no reason for the armor to have any physical difference.

Bookwrack wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....

Beat me to it. If you want women in SM power armor, just find some heads you like and put those on. Otherwise, for the size of the armor that Marines wear, any modifications to accommodate the physical differences of the female body are all going to be internal. Externally, there's no reason for the armor to have any physical difference.

Other than to satisfy some peoples craving for boobs on power armor.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I am moving this thread to Dakka Discussions. It is a general discussion rather than a specific proposal about sculpting a new range of figures.

Um, Kill, actually, that was exactly what the thread was about: would anyone be interested in starting a new line of bits if I financed it. That's a very clear discussion modeling discussion, not a general one.

I'm sure that someone would take you up on this offer.

Try some of the miniature sculpting forums out there, or possibly contact Chapterhouse and/or the Troll Forged guys?

I think you'd probably sell a lot of these, if they looked like that one picture posted earlier in this thread...

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, I don't see how you can say that isn't cartoony, it looks like it walked right out of an anime parodying 40k.

It's fine if you don't like the style. Just suggest something else. It's a big galaxy.

Well, see here's the rub. IF there were such a thing as female Space Marines(as in: they received the same genetic treatments, etc as their male brothers)--there'd be no difference other than a bit of internal skeletal structure. Outwardly, they'd be the same as the males. No estrogen means no breasts, and even if they had them...I don't see the Astartes Powered Armour being remade just so that the ladies can show off the goods, do you? It makes *some* sense with the stylizing of the Sisters of Battle, but Astartes are all about function over form.

Dreadnought96 wrote:Lol Jim Carrey. Anyway why would there be Female Space Marines?

Because gamers are horny/creepy...

If people want to argue about the feasibility of female Space Marines they should go and do it in the thread in 40K Background.

This thread is for discussing the feasibility of resin model female Space Marines.

Except the two are linked completely. There's no real reason to make "resin female Space Marines" other than as stand-ins for a female Space Marine army...which breaks all fluff.

Now, if they were to make resin "Sorority of Conflict" models?

Different story.

The question is not "Would it be fluff?" but rather "If someone did this thing, would it sell?"

After all, unless you're going to a GW tourney, which, by the way, they seem to be looking to eliminate, why not make an interesting looking marine army amidst all the Smurfs?

BaronIveagh wrote:The question is not "Would it be fluff?" but rather "If someone did this thing, would it sell?"

After all, unless you're going to a GW tourney, which, by the way, they seem to be looking to eliminate, why not make an interesting looking marine army amidst all the Smurfs?

So, interesting looking means "requires breaking one of the very few immutable pieces of fluff and/or having boobmarines"? Why not just be like any other player and do something like...y'know, making your own Chapter, with a complete background and full conversions?

Either way:
I sincerely doubt this would be worth doing. For every person who says "Oh, I would TOTALLY buy this if it were made" and actually follows through...there's twenty who say the same and fail to actually buy what they said they would. I just fail to see the constant allure of constantly bringing up Femmarines.

Wehrkind wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:
2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces (Im not trying to be sexist here, so im sorry if i offend any of you women out there )
3. Whats the piont of producing the armor to fit women if there are only a couple of them? Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.

I don't know about point 1, but your later two points are both incorrect, unfortunately.

2: Imperial fluff dictates expressly that the IG takes all manner of recruits from all over. For whatever reason, GW neglected to make more than a few female Commisars and infantry, but some models do exist to back up the fluff characters of female militants found in all the novels and the like. Not to mention Inquisitors, Sisters of Battle, Rogue Traders etc. that all requisition or purchase power armor.

3: Armor to fit women isn't very different from armor that fits men. Turns out women have 2 arms and legs attached nearly exactly like their male counterparts, with only slight variations for diameter in other areas. A larger concern would be that no manner of armor as all encompassing as power armor works in a one size fits all manner, and would need fairly extensive modification for each new user, male or female.
As to the guns, no... really no. Firstly women, again having nearly the same bone and muscle structure as men (though the fist actually does have some minor differences of note) do not generally need different handles for rifles or pistols than a similarly sized male, or even a fairly dissimilar male. Some might find certain grip styles more or less comfortable, whether male or female. For example, I dislike the grip shape of a Glock 22 .40 because the rounded grip doesn't feel right compared the Colt 1911 .45 I prefer. My 5'4 asian wife, however, has no preference between them. It is a common misconception that there are guns for girls as opposed to man type guns, but in reality there is very little issue around it, relating more to the upper body strength of the firer and the sort of hand design differences that adjustable grips solve quite nicely.

More on topic , females in power armor would be excellent for Inquisitors and Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy Characters. I would like to purchase 5-10 please.

The first point was already made, and I have already admitted it was a mistake of mine to say that. On the other part though, you are very much wrong. Armor for the men of the space marines is totally different from womens. Its like clothing. Do women fit comfortably in mens clothing? No. Thats why they make womens sized clothing. As for the guns, this follows the same ideas about police handguns. The reason why police officers cary an M9 and not a .45 is because the M9 was produced to fit womens hands better, since there are more women cops now adays.


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Steelmage99 wrote:This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....












If you want bewbs, go buy a magazine, for Gods sake.

Whats he/she wasting that bolter on the ground for?

Fluff aside I personally think it would be cool.

Especially as someone at present building a Slaanesh themed CSM army.

Im sure the forces of Slaanesh would have no qualms using their gene seed on some particularly sexy, evil and competant females

Malice

Female space marines are sisters of battle nough said haha

Female Space Marines? No.

Properly proportioned female models in power armor?

Yes.

Personally, IMHO, I think SoB could be seen as the response to people wanting female like SM characters. Yes they are not as strong but I honestly think they look a whole lot cooler the SM do. They have almost everything the SM do but the gene enhanced bodies. Also AFAIK, women could not withstand (correct me if I am wrong) most of the gene enhancing procedures that went along with becoming a SM.

So maybe you could make some and claim them to be one of the two missing legions in relation to one of the two missing primarchs?

I thought the Lion already filled the spot of the son that was really a daughter.

ProtoClone wrote:Personally, IMHO, I think SoB could be seen as the response to people wanting female like SM characters. Yes they are not as strong but I honestly think they look a whole lot cooler the SM do. They have almost everything the SM do but the gene enhanced bodies. Also AFAIK, women could not withstand (correct me if I am wrong) most of the gene enhancing procedures that went along with becoming a SM.

So maybe you could make some and claim them to be one of the two missing legions in relation to one of the two missing primarchs?

Actually, if you read through the 'creation of a space marine" there's only one point at which genes are altered which is the occulobe's alterations of the eye to increase light receptor growth. Reading through the system, they're introducing cultured organs into an existing biological system. It's more akin to giving them all baboon hearts, complete with chemical injections. There's a reason that, at the time the creation of the space marine article was written, Space marines never left their power armor as they'd die without the armor carefully moderating the chemical cocktail floating in their bloodstream. This has since been retconned, though how they're not dying now has never been explained, and is simply handwaived. Further, there is some mention of 'male tissue types' however, men and woman are largely interchangeable for organ transplants as long as they are a close genetic match, so if you favor more science then fantasy, the whole explanation falls apart at that point.

Further, the admech does not seem to distinguish between men and women when they're cultivating organs to start a chapter, though these people are used as living incubators for space marine organs rather then actual space marines. However, since the process does not kill them, the admech tech priests do, it casts the issue into doubt. Along with early female space marine minis.

As far as CSMs: Remember, in fluff daemons saw no reason not to make a woman a (particularly deadly, according to other Chaos Space Marines) CSM. So please note that fluff does have women becoming CSMs. Just Add Daemon.

Once again, though, we stray from the point: Would Female Marines Sell. We've ranted a lot about fluff, but still have avoided this issue by and large.

They would sell if they were done well, obviously not at the level of GW's SMs, but it could be a garage kit kind of operation.

Maby:

?

But, seriosly, Power armour would obscure all features.

Actually it wouldn't be hard to give them curves without 'basketballs' if you follow. It's a matter of shrinking the torso slightly, so that the midsection armor produces a more pronounced curve, and 'maybe' adjusting the chestpeice so that it projects a bit more. Though I did consider the idea that veteran Sargents and up might have a more obvious 'breastplate'.


To forestall the obvious snark which will follow: yes, the pervy side of my mind did suggest that like certain other SM chapters, certain parts of their anatomy might grow larger with age, but frankly, I think it's a bit too kinky to sell.

This idea has already been done.
Its well past the point of dead horse, and its on to Necromancy.




YOU need to PM Doc Thunder. I'm not going into details, but he's the one to talk to. You want female space marines? He's the one to talk to.

I think it might be neat for a gag, but to play a game, I don't think female space marines work very well.


As for the Female Space Marines, Sisters of battle have the armor, you jusdt have to file off the flure de le's and call it a day.
THAT would be your so called female space marines.

Bear in mind that any run of the mill marine would probibly shoot her in the face, if she wasn't designated to be in the mission area, as a threat.

I've seen examples of what happens when someone other then designated combatants wants to get in the mix and try to play army. They usually end up on the buisness end of a bolter.

Putting anyone other then a space marine in power armor is paramount to heresy. Your little wannabe space marine girls are going to get thier heads ripped off for playing around with the armor that has been designated specificly for the Adeptus Astartes.

Do you know the penalty for unauthorized modification of Imperial equipment? Its death.
Under several regulations, your little girls are going to be flogged, sent to a penal legion, or shot on site by the nearest commisar.

For one, there are no female space marines. You are either Sisters, or Inquisition, thats it. IG are low rung troops, and they are in line with everyone else.

Space marines are more then likely going to shoot anyone other then a space marine who ends up in power armor.

And to wear the power armor, you need to be modified, so to speak. Void has a couple of examples of what a female looks like in power armor, and They look just like you would think they look. same as your bubblegum crisis BS.

Seeing how the Imperium thinks about technology in the first place, the idea just doesn't fit.

Grot 6 wrote:This idea has already been done.
Its well past the point of dead horse, and its on to Necromancy.


YOU need to PM Doc Thunder. I'm not going into details, but he's the one to talk to. You want female space marines? He's the one to talk to.

I think it might be neat for a gag, but to play a game, I don't think female space marines work very well.


As for the Female Space Marines, Sisters of battle have the armor, you jusdt have to file off the flure de le's and call it a day.
THAT would be your so called female space marines.

Bear in mind that any run of the mill marine would probibly shoot her in the face, if she wasn't designated to be in the mission area, as a threat.

I've seen examples of what happens when someone other then designated combatants wants to get in the mix and try to play army. They usually end up on the buisness end of a bolter.

Putting anyone other then a space marine in power armor is paramount to heresy. Your little wannabe space marine girls are going to get thier heads ripped off for playing around with the armor that has been designated specificly for the Adeptus Astartes.

Do you know the penalty for unauthorized modification of Imperial equipment? Its death.
Under several regulations, your little girls are going to be flogged, sent to a penal legion, or shot on site by the nearest commisar.

For one, there are no female space marines. You are either Sisters, or Inquisition, thats it. IG are low rung troops, and they are in line with everyone else.

Space marines are more then likely going to shoot anyone other then a space marine who ends up in power armor.

And to wear the power armor, you need to be modified, so to speak. Void has a couple of examples of what a female looks like in power armor, and They look just like you would think they look. same as your bubblegum crisis BS.

Seeing how the Imperium thinks about technology in the first place, the idea just doesn't fit.

Achem: I've already talked to Doc, on numerous occasions. I'm aware of his CSMs and several other people's female Space marine minis. However, I'm looking to go a step beyond that. Most of them, so far, have just done headswaps or greenstuffed BS. The amount of heat that the issue seems to generate strikes me as a potential market, and assuming only 10% of the people screaming about them online one way or the other were to buy some, it'd probably be profitable.

And your ranting bravado does not phase me. The last guy freaked when he saw that I have quite a few of TPCs female cadians and gave me a similar rant that the Imperium requires all women to be barefoot and pregnant. His smurfs discovered that IG tanks and artillery don't care if the gunners have tits or not.

Cyporiean wrote:Female Space Marines? No.

Properly proportioned female models in power armor?

Yes.

Captain Shrike wrote:Maby:

?

Yes, and Hell Yes, respectively.

Great. Now I've gotta go look for bubblegum crisis.