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LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Looks the same to me

Cause and effect look the same to you? Curious..

Or simply , someone already sees the whole picture and find it pointless to split them up

Fascinating. This is so fascinating. This is a fascinating line of conversation. You are a fascinating person.

FITZZ wrote: I'm sorry,but I find the whole idea of "removing drugs" in a game wich is based on genocide,destruction,violence and WAR,to make it "more family friendly" quite amusing.

As amusing as it is , do you have better explanation on the censoring on lots of the later sculpts?

FITZZ wrote: I'm sorry,but I find the whole idea of "removing drugs" in a game wich is based on genocide,destruction,violence and WAR,to make it "more family friendly" quite amusing.

They're getting rid of the boobs. Violence is very kid friendly in modern media. Drugs and sex are not.

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Looks the same to me

Cause and effect look the same to you? Curious..

Or simply , someone already sees the whole picture and find it pointless to split them up

Fascinating. This is so fascinating. This is a fascinating line of conversation. You are a fascinating person.

Fascinating? no im just very dumb. Im so dumb that i dont know what you want the last few posts directed towards me.
If you dont mind , can you explain simply to what our "discussion" is about?

Thanks ^^v

Fascinating? no im just very dumb. Im so dumb that i dont know what you want the last few posts directed towards me.
If you dont mind , can you explain simply to what our "discussion" is about?

I'm annoyed that you would delegate and lay claim over the post that I made stating that it was similar to yours despite being actually quite different, though related insofar as it covers the same subject matter. I was being roundabout rather than inflammatory in the way that I did this.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Fascinating? no im just very dumb. Im so dumb that i dont know what you want the last few posts directed towards me.
If you dont mind , can you explain simply to what our "discussion" is about?

I'm annoyed that you would delegate and lay claim over the post that I made stating that it was similar to yours despite being actually quite different, though related insofar as it covers the same subject matter. I was being roundabout rather than inflammatory in the way that I did this.

And here i thanked you for it :3

LunaHound wrote:Yes , but i thought why was obvious o_o
well thanks for going into detail i guess.

So with that cleared up...

As always you're a master of sarcasm.

ShumaGorath wrote:

FITZZ wrote: I'm sorry,but I find the whole idea of "removing drugs" in a game wich is based on genocide,destruction,violence and WAR,to make it "more family friendly" quite amusing.

They're getting rid of the boobs. Violence is very kid friendly in modern media. Drugs and sex are not.

That's true,and also some what amusing as well.

Kid: Hey Mom can I get these?
Mom: What are they Snookums?
Kid: They are Dark Eldar,for Warhammer 40k.
Mom: Hmmm,Dark Eldar..that doesn't sound very pleasent.
Kid: Oh C'mon Mom,they just go on slave raids,murdering hundreds in extreamly brutal fasion,they also tourtre the slaves they take and gain power from eating their souls,also they are quite fond of gladitorial combat and political assasination.
Mom Do they use drugs?
Kid: Absolutely not,in fact Nancy Regan is a Haemonculis,and Tipper Gore is a master Archon.
Mom: Well in that case get three.

You're right Shuma, this is fascinating.

Wait, no it isn't. Take it to PMs?

That's true,and also some what amusing as well.

Kid: Hey Mom can I get these?
Mom: What are they Snookums?
Kid: They are Dark Eldar,for Warhammer 40k.
Mom: Hmmm,Dark Eldar..that doesn't sound very pleasent.
Kid: Oh C'mon Mom,they just go on slave raids,murdering hundreds in extreamly brutal fasion,they also tourtre the slaves they take and gain power from eating their souls,also they are quite fond of gladitorial combat and political assasination.
Momo they use drugs?
Kid: Absolutely not,in fact Nancy Regan is a Haemonculis,and Tipper Gore is a master Archon.
Mom: Well in that case get three.

In Power Rangers they killed literally thousands of aliens. They also had strong anti drug messages, hung out in a juice bar, and were respectful to their elders. No one ever talked about touching butts.

Violence is just a kid thing. 40k's violence is incredibly abstract so the awful things they do in our imaginations are entirely separate from the things pictured or modeled (usually). it gives them a significant leeway in what they present so long as the censorable things they present aren't directly implied in art or models.


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Orkestra wrote:You're right Shuma, this is fascinating.

Wait, no it isn't. Take it to PMs?

Congratulations. You now have zero posts here relating to the subject matter. At least half of mine are.

ShumaGorath wrote:As always you're a master of sarcasm.

I havnt been sarcastic at all. You took the effort of explaining why DE deserves
more than just what GW did to Chaos ( eg: MOAR SPIKES )

We both think they are certainly more deserving , and with enough fluff to back up a
brand new Dark Eldar line. If done right , im sure it could be , they could be very popular army.

So i must ask this , what exactly do you want from me shuma o_o?

So i must ask this , what exactly do you want from me shuma o_o?

Be more clear. Putting "I guess" at the end of a "Thanks" is almost universally sarcastic and dismissive.

ShumaGorath wrote:

So i must ask this , what exactly do you want from me shuma o_o?

Be more clear. Putting "I guess" at the end of a "Thanks" is almost universally sarcastic and dismissive.

What do you want from me? You really should be clear and specific
because like i said many times. Im dumb , and im very certain im probably not a psychic

Actually, I AM going to suggest leaving a lot of what is going on in here OUT.

And really, pestering each other via PM, well, that probably isn't the way to go.

I'm going to suggest the time honored "IGNORE" feature.

Other than that, 'ignore' each other without IGNORING each other.

That, and stay on topic here.

What do you want from me? You really should be clear and specific

I dont think any deletion is necessary , especially without OP's consent .

This thread started perfectly with a VALID discussion between me and sasori to what we think Dark Eldar have the potential to be.

LunaHound wrote:I dont think any deletion is necessary , especially without OP's consent .

This thread started perfectly with a VALID discussion between me and sasori to what we think Dark Eldar have the potential to be.

I stated that posts with no content should be deleted. Not the thread. Do you misread things on purpose?

This reminds me of the OT forum.

* shudders violently *

People have been saying for several years now the DE release is just around the bend. I am wondering why now should be any different. It would certainly be nice but nothing really conclusive has come out other than Jes Goodwin's sculpts which is mentioned in every DE rumor thread.

I think most people are not aware of the true background regarding the DE. they are not pirates, they are the original eldar... Basically a handful of survivors left alive after their homeworld was destroyed during the birth of Slaanesh. The only ones to survive were out on intergalatic party cruises. As such they are poorly armed when compared to the eldar. I think of all the codices written by Jervis this was by far his best. There is only so much you can do with a dying race such as DE. They were never meant to be an equivalent to the eldar. They have a few perks and cool background. That's all they really need and as such from this particular POV I can understand why they still have the same codex. My guess is they will be lucky to ever get a new one. There just isn't that many people who play the army and it's not like the orks who have always had a strong following. That's just the way it is.

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More DE speculation, less posturing and BS.

-_- i never said i want the thread deleted...

Getting rid of the boobs too!!!? Well might as well sell off the Wyches now then =p

Oshova

Hey mods, get this crap out of the thread? Bickering between members isn't a rumor.

(For for the record, I'm quoted in the initial post as a "source" from Warseer, so I have a more relevant post on this topic than some juvenile trolling, Shuma.)

Oshova wrote:Getting rid of the boobs too!!!? Well might as well sell off the Wyches now then =p

Oshova

Wych boobs are fine i think.
But , sculpts like this one might be reconsidered

HERE BE THE SIGNPOST...er... POST!

ANY Off Topic crap that comes after this post will also come with a PM from a Mod.

And all that implies.

I think most people are not aware of the true background regarding the DE. they are not pirates, they are the original eldar... Basically a handful of survivors left alive after their homeworld was destroyed during the birth of Slaanesh. The only ones to survive were out on intergalatic party cruises.

Weren't they the actual survivors of the calamity? The ones not driven insane or instantly killed on the fringes of eldar space? The exodites survived by moving to far off puritan worlds and the craftworlds survived by leaving in.. Well craftworlds.

As such they are poorly armed when compared to the eldar.

Why not? They are more violent and militaristic than the craftworld eldar, and comorragh is larger than any craftworld.

There is only so much you can do with a dying race such as DE. T

The dark eldar are thriving not dying. They are the dark and successful mirror to the eldar.

They were never meant to be an equivalent to the eldar. They have a few perks and cool background. That's all they really need and as such from this particular POV I can understand why they still have the same codex. My guess is they will be lucky to ever get a new one. There just isn't that many people who play the army and it's not like the orks who have always had a strong following. That's just the way it is.

Any new race has little to no following. They saw fit to bring the tau and necrons down, there's something to be said for filling an empty space in the army roster.

More DE speculation, less posturing and BS.

Post something of content yourself. Please.

Yeah I believe you're right about most (if not all of that). Hopefully with all the time they're taking with the new codex it will have a good amount of fluff in it. Would really like some more back story to what has always been my favourite 40k army. What there is rocks. Loving the way things are described in Nightbringer (The Ultramarines book), and the little stories in the codex. But definitely some more in-depth stuff would be awesome.

Also, I would love to see a book or series of books from a Dark Eldar perspective. I mean the books they're doing at the moment are awesome. But constant Imperium can become quite repetitive. I just started Rynn's World, and some in-depth books like this are really going to open up more information about the armies we play. Looking forward to the rest of the Space Marine Battles novels. And hopefully Black Library will do some more xenos books . . . well books from a xenos perspective. =D

Oshova

Oshova wrote:Yeah I believe you're right about most (if not all of that). Hopefully with all the time they're taking with the new codex it will have a good amount of fluff in it. Would really like some more back story to what has always been my favourite 40k army. What there is rocks. Loving the way things are described in Nightbringer (The Ultramarines book), and the little stories in the codex. But definitely some more in-depth stuff would be awesome.

Also, I would love to see a book or series of books from a Dark Eldar perspective. I mean the books they're doing at the moment are awesome. But constant Imperium can become quite repetitive. I just started Rynn's World, and some in-depth books like this are really going to open up more information about the armies we play. Looking forward to the rest of the Space Marine Battles novels. And hopefully Black Library will do some more xenos books . . . well books from a xenos perspective. =D

Oshova

I continue to want a well written book from the perspective of an ork. All imperium all the time is quite dull.

[On Topic]:

I've been following the Dark Eldar rumors for about 4 years, in my free time and sometimes daily. Checking all the miniature gaming news grabbers and digging through forum, after forum looking for hearsay from Redshirts, developers, playtesters, random posters - not in an effort to find the truth (which few actually know at this point) but to try and find the "shape" or contour of it.

If you listen to enough sources, you can piece together the larger picture. Checking out back posts from sources to verify credibility is another way to sort out the chaff from the solid ones.

From what I understand (redundancy of posts from isolated sources), the book was actually rejected once. The project was started somewhere around 06/07, as in the developers met on the brief and started to plan the codex, background, model/art design.

At multiple Gamesdays, Events, National Tournaments, open days - etc, developers have stated the book is being worked on, with a whole new range of models being designed by Jes. Jes, himself has even given a progress report back in '08 stating that the models were "half-away" done.

From everything I've read, from Harry, to Jervis, to Jes, to Brimstone (RIP), to a few other extremely credible insiders between Warseer, Heresy, Dakka - the project ultimately has not been delayed. The rules, if we are to believe were revised have been in such a way that they obviously wouldn't impact the models in the way of wargear or options. It sounds to me like the book was revised around 08/09 from the frequency of rumors popping up.

I believe the models have been progressing according to schedule (which is a perfectionist snail's pace - as stated by Jes himself) and that any possible delay was more along the lines of the book's winning percentage, and not huge alterations that should have already been cemented (for Jes to make sure the models have the bits they need to perform as their entries say).

Waaagh Gonads, and our own Yakface have both stated they have seen Dark Eldar models. I've seen accounts from Waaagh from this year and Yak from last year.

To me, looking at all the possible information/rumors paints a picture of the project A) Existing, despite what some very adamant and very wrong members seem to think and B) It's coming relatively soon.

Looking at the release schedule for this year, it seems plausible that the DE could occupy an August/Sept/Oct slot due to Gamesday being a very strong vehicle for such large announcements.

It's also plausible that they could be released in '11, so I'm not really getting my hopes up about this year. I haven't heard that Grey Knights or Necrons were close to done at this point, despite what other very adamant rumor sleuths are stating - and I think the other possibility of Dark Angels would conflict with the Xenos/Imperial pattern.

So all those reasons lead me to believe the book (as Harry stated over on WS "wouldn't be suprised...within the next 12 months" is due this year. I suspect in the fall.

While playing Dawn of War, I quite enjoyed the campaign, because you got to see bits of storyline from the different army points of view. I know Imperium sells the best, and GW see xenos as more niche. But if they released a novel with the new codex. Then this would get people interested in that series of books that they bought to find out more about the army they just bought. Also this fits right into the famous GW way of selling things. "Oh you're buying that are you, well in that case you should think about buying . . ."

Oshova

Edit: Spelling mistakes

Okay so let's take a look at what DE have and where they have some room for expansion. They are the glass hammer army with the exception of the Talos. Now if GW were to give them some game breaking rule(s) then that would help them to gain some popularity. The last thing they need is another codex like Tyranids just received, which has already been overshadowed by the still yet to be released Blood Angels codex.

HQ: Archon/Drachite/Wyche Lord
I think they could stand to receive a couple more HQ choices. I can't remember off the top of my head if Heamonculi are HQ or elite. I could easily a special character Wyche Lord that let's you field Wyches as troops but in addition to Warriors. Probably most likely Lelith will be revamped as well. What would be useful for DE as a new HQ? it's not like they need another close combat monster. It would be nice if they had access to a character that let's them redeploy several units and outflank/scout. Heck these abilities could just be simply incorporated into their codex. This would help them a lot.

Troops: Warriors
I think the Warriors are pretty good as is and only need a little sprucing up. DE definitely need a couple more troops choices (besides an option to field wyches as such). Even one more viable troop choice would help but I'm at a loss what it should be.

Elites: Wyches, ???
What I would love to see is the I introduction of Harlequins to DE. it completely fits in with the background. Give them the option to run jetbikes. Wyches definitely need to be reworked as their rules are very much so outdated now. Keep combat drugs for sure though, they still rock.

Heavy Support: Flyguys w. guns, Ravagers
I can't remember the name of the flying heavy support but they need to be able to move and shoot, maybe give them a shorter ranged version of the dark lance that counts as an assault weapon. Ravagers are pretty good as is and if they don't now count as a transport then it should. Also maybe let hte flyguys ride in it.

Other units: Talos, Hellions & Reaver jetbikes
I would like to see the Talos boosted to T8 and be able to move like jump infantry. Hellions could benefit from being able to assault directly from deepstrike. They need a shock unit to throw off armies like mech guard. Reaver jetbikes need to be reworked as well.

Skimmers:
they need something like nightshield built in but just a tad better.

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