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We the IG;
Hit accuratley enough to cause potentially leathal shots half the time.
(how many time do you see in the news that some one was shot and survived in real life)

Our guns are cheap and may not peirce all our enemies armour instantly but no armour is truley invincable just concentrate your fire.

But when I fall to your gunfire, someone will pick up my gun, when they fall someone else will take there place until you are dead and the IG are victorious.

We the IG our lives are cheap but numerous.
Try to appreciate our strength in numbers and determination do not compare us to other more elite, advanced or specialised troops.

besides whats wrong with you apes? wanna live forever?
/

2 reasons IG die so readily.

1) Grimdark. Got to keep the normal people dying fast and often or it's not grimdark.

2) Population control. Too many humans. Putting them out virtually unprotected keeps the population down to manageable levels, so you have less food riots, less chance to organize against the oppressive government, etc..

But mostly grimdark.

vorpalhit wrote:
(how many time do you see in the news that some one was shot and survived in real life)

enough times to know it happens

well you know imperial guard aren't meant to live through battles I mean if you look at any of the pictures art or in the books they send a billion dudes at the enemy then when they die they send two billion dudes at them it just keeps getting worse and worse. so eventually they will run out of ammo. (unless your tau) and one laser pointer may only sting but when you have 1,000 of them we are talking permanent blindness here lol.

IG soldiers NEVER die easy. At least not the really good ones like Yarrik for example...who

yeah...only other thing more awesome then that is when Wazdakka jumped his Warbike through a Titan's Void shields and took it down. Fluff from Orks legands tell he is eternally on fire constantly regenerating over and over again as he rides his Warbike into one war after another.

The survivability of Guardsmen really depends on the author, too. You have some guys pulling off near-superhuman feats in the Ghosts books, for instance.

Also, Guardsmen dying like flies is in some way there to reinforce the notion that the Imperium is a massive war-machine that has a sick fascination with meat-grinders, and that the future is grim-dark, etc.

reading all of this has made me decide that their not completly incompetent and pretty decent fighters but every guardsmen isnt that great i think there are more weak guardsmen that suck at fighting then there are good gaurdsmen who are incredibly good at fighting and killing but humans can really only do so much and withstand so much abuse

I'm sorry, but did no one pay attention to World War 1?

Soldiers died in the hundreds of thousands over the course of a single battle...

Is it really that hard to comprehend that in the future when there are war machines capable of obliterating planets and campaigns stretching over Solar systems that human survivability is going to increase along with that? Yeah, I thought not.

It's because they are just humans with equipment all manufactured by the lowest bidder. They are armed with little more than a souped-up torch to kill the enemy and a thick woolly jumper to keep the bullets out.

If it's anything like our modern armed forces, there's only 90% of the required equipment available at any one time meaning you have to swap, beg, borrow and steal the rest to ensure you aren't caught short needing a vital piece of equipment at the wrong moment. Indeed, it's a test of ingenuity for every soldier to somehow acquire the equipment they need and never be short of that 10% when they really need it. This is the sort of thinking that made the British army great.

I'm basing my opinion on the codex and the book Fifteen Hours. IG really only make any kind of ground on the sheer numbers they have to throw at something. The guy running the whole campaign will occasionally be in the same orbit as the planet he's working on. He'll throw billions of lives at a target just to ensure the enemy doesn't reposition while he lines up the big guns, effectively destroying whatever forces are holding them in place. Sure, a lasgun might knock the arm off an ork; but the ork will fight without the arm. An ork really has to be cut down to nothing.

Just curious, but does anybody have any fluff concerning IG out right winning an aggressive planetary campaigns? No SM, no SoB, no crazy Eldar intervention, no Exterminatus, just IG cleaning the xenos off he entire planet on their own.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:I'm sorry, but did no one pay attention to World War 1?

Soldiers died in the hundreds of thousands over the course of a single battle...

Is it really that hard to comprehend that in the future when there are war machines capable of obliterating planets and campaigns stretching over Solar systems that human survivability is going to increase along with that? Yeah, I thought not.

Hopefully we won't be using trench warfare and attrition tactics to conquer planets in the future; like someone else said, god-forbid the guard start acting like a modern mechanized army (which is why i personally like the Tau)


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Humblesteve wrote:I'm basing my opinion on the codex and the book Fifteen Hours. IG really only make any kind of ground on the sheer numbers they have to throw at something. The guy running the whole campaign will occasionally be in the same orbit as the planet he's working on. He'll throw billions of lives at a target just to ensure the enemy doesn't reposition while he lines up the big guns, effectively destroying whatever forces are holding them in place. Sure, a lasgun might knock the arm off an ork; but the ork will fight without the arm. An ork really has to be cut down to nothing.

Just curious, but does anybody have any fluff concerning IG out right winning an aggressive planetary campaigns? No SM, no SoB, no crazy Eldar intervention, no Exterminatus, just IG cleaning the xenos off he entire planet on their own.

Macharian and Sabbat Crusades?

Hello,
The real reason IG soliders die so easily is because they all have Red Shirts on under their Uniforms.

Humblesteve wrote:
Just curious, but does anybody have any fluff concerning IG out right winning an aggressive planetary campaigns? No SM, no SoB, no crazy Eldar intervention, no Exterminatus, just IG cleaning the xenos off he entire planet on their own.

Never heard of a 'no SM' one, but Siege of Vraks shows a campaign quite well. Over some 12 years they get a few squads of marines helping, yes, but small numbers with a very specific mission and only once approaching front lines. Once to blow up the spaceport chaos is sending re-enforcements by. Some bridges blown up for the same reasons. Securing a breach in the massive curtain wall for less than an hour, just enough to get the guard the slight toehold they need. And some Dark Angels went off after a small CSM warband but that wasn't really a tactical contribution to the battle but settling a grudge, the same warband was suspected of having knowledge of the Fallen An Ordo Mallus Inquisitor making a brief appearance at the end to nab a particularly nasty daemon price possibly counts too.

All are treated as precision special ops missions, there were marines on the ground maybe 3 weeks tops over the entire campaign and they just sped things up. It was won solely on the backs of the IG who managed to retake an incredibly well defended planet that was a major munitions store for the Cadian Gate. So fighting against an enemy arguably better stocked against them hiding behind defences that were meant to keep out everyone. And still holding their own when daemons and CSM came to join the party (although not so well for obvious reasons...)

Humblesteve wrote:I'm basing my opinion on the codex and the book Fifteen Hours. IG really only make any kind of ground on the sheer numbers they have to throw at something. The guy running the whole campaign will occasionally be in the same orbit as the planet he's working on. He'll throw billions of lives at a target just to ensure the enemy doesn't reposition while he lines up the big guns, effectively destroying whatever forces are holding them in place. Sure, a lasgun might knock the arm off an ork; but the ork will fight without the arm. An ork really has to be cut down to nothing.

Just curious, but does anybody have any fluff concerning IG out right winning an aggressive planetary campaigns? No SM, no SoB, no crazy Eldar intervention, no Exterminatus, just IG cleaning the xenos off he entire planet on their own.

Sure, read the Codex... off the top of my head there's a story in there about the Catachan being the only surviving regiment on an Ork-infested world and being relieved by more IG (and winning) aaaand the DKoK putting down a rebellion.

I think there's plenty more...

SM can't be everywhere, y'know.

Retribution wrote:Because they go into battle with nothing but a wife-beater and standard issue balls of steel

Thank you. I now have a good sig to describe all of my imperial guard. Just have to find a good way to work it in....

Yes, it's true, humans are weak.

But if we're being fair, regiments like the Catachans and Vostroyans are so hard it hurts. I mean, look at the average Catachan. He gets the same armour save as a regular guardsman, despite the fact he wears a small vest and not proper armour at all. Using logic, therefore, his muscles are at least as tough and durable as kevlar. That's pretty hard, people.

Fl@nked wrote:

Retribution wrote:Because they go into battle with nothing but a wife-beater and standard issue balls of steel

Thank you. I now have a good sig to describe all of my imperial guard. Just have to find a good way to work it in....

My pleasure lol

Psh....NOW we're talking with all this Proof on how Amazing the Guard is!
GUARD FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Pffffft who needs Space Marines.
Not this guy! XD

Retribution wrote:

Fl@nked wrote:

Retribution wrote:Because they go into battle with nothing but a wife-beater and standard issue balls of steel

Thank you. I now have a good sig to describe all of my imperial guard. Just have to find a good way to work it in....

My pleasure lol

"Wife-beater' and 'Balls of Steel' being the names of the regiment's Baneblade and Shadowsword of course.

Oh my goodness. I must now have a tank named Balls of Steel.

because there are billions of them