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I'd like make the game. But instead of vampires amd sparkles have blood and metal. And like topless girls.

You go on a adventure to save one of said topless girls from a werewolf that has chainguns for hands.

And then just call it Twilight.

...and they ask early on if you're "Team Edward," "Team Jacob," or "Neither." Little do they know that Team Edward actually means their character gets split in half with a saw in gory detail immediately after opening the first door they encounter and Team Jacob means their character begins dying from a disease and only has 3 minutes to search for the non-existent cure.

But seriously I'm going to attempt to make a "reasonable discussion about twilight" thread in the near future and see if we can defuse some of the absolutely moronic nerdrage. It's fine to not like something, but it's annoying to complain about it constantly.

ShumaGorath wrote:You all play with tiny plastic men and books with other dudes.

And? Even we frown upon sparkly vampires.

Soladrin wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:You all play with tiny plastic men and books with other dudes.

And? Even we frown upon sparkly vampires.

Yeah. It's kinda sad when we have something to look down on. I dunno. Maybe every group needs something to make themselves feel better.

TBH, I think most people's Twilight nerdrage is a little bit exaggerated. Well mine is anyway, I mean, I don't really care but its fun to joke about sometimes.

Snikkyd wrote:TBH, I think most people's Twilight nerdrage is a little bit exaggerated. Well mine is anyway, I mean, I don't really care but its fun to joke about sometimes.

Duh, though I refused to enter a friends room for 3 weeks after I found a poster in there...

Soladrin wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:TBH, I think most people's Twilight nerdrage is a little bit exaggerated. Well mine is anyway, I mean, I don't really care but its fun to joke about sometimes.

Duh, though I refused to enter a friends room for 3 weeks after I found a poster in there...

You're cool.







Eh, gotcha

Hey, it traumatized me... unsuspectingly walking into a room, to face.... that hideous face... I'm scarred for life >=(

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:You all play with tiny plastic men and books with other dudes.

And? Even we frown upon sparkly vampires.

Yeah. It's kinda sad when we have something to look down on. I dunno. Maybe every group needs something to make themselves feel better.

That reminds me of SLC Punk. The part where hes talking about how the different groups fit into everything. Dammit now I want to watch that movie

KingCracker wrote:


That reminds me of SLC Punk. The part where hes talking about how the different groups fit into everything. Dammit now I want to watch that movie

See,now SLC Punk was a good movie...and might make an interesting video game..bonus points if you can save Herion Bob

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:You all play with tiny plastic men and books with other dudes.

And? Even we frown upon sparkly vampires.

Yeah. It's kinda sad when we have something to look down on. I dunno. Maybe every group needs something to make themselves feel better.

True, but thats usually a downward hill. The person above looks down upon the people below. That is not happening here. The 40k community does not have the highground to nerdrage mock a group of people that likely have better social skills and more productive lives. It's like you're all trying to look back up the hill and thinking it's looking down. It's not even that this entire franchise is targeted to teen girls or that it's a movie and book series. It's that this website is dedicated to a group that is spending hundreds to perhaps thousands of dollars on tiny piles of plastic that you turn into little men to fight with your dude friends using dice in basements or the back of comic book stores and you can nerdrage for years about a harry potter proxy for teen girls with cute boys and mysterious and sparkly vampires. Who cares. It's not for you. Get over it.

Burn the heritic

ShumaGorath wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:You all play with tiny plastic men and books with other dudes.

And? Even we frown upon sparkly vampires.

Yeah. It's kinda sad when we have something to look down on. I dunno. Maybe every group needs something to make themselves feel better.

True, but thats usually a downward hill. The person above looks down upon the people below. That is not happening here. The 40k community does not have the highground to nerdrage mock a group of people that likely have better social skills and more productive lives. It's like you're all trying to look back up the hill and thinking it's looking down. It's not even that this entire franchise is targeted to teen girls or that it's a movie and book series. It's that this website is dedicated to a group that is spending hundreds to perhaps thousands of dollars on tiny piles of plastic that you turn into little men to fight with your dude friends using dice in basements or the back of comic book stores and you can nerdrage for years about a harry potter proxy for teen girls with cute boys and mysterious and sparkly vampires. Who cares. It's not for you. Get over it.

I have to agree with Shuma. I don't think Wargamers have any standing to look down on any group of females, regardless of age or fandom.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:You all play with tiny plastic men and books with other dudes.

And? Even we frown upon sparkly vampires.

Yeah. It's kinda sad when we have something to look down on. I dunno. Maybe every group needs something to make themselves feel better.

True, but thats usually a downward hill. The person above looks down upon the people below. That is not happening here. The 40k community does not have the highground to nerdrage mock a group of people that likely have better social skills and more productive lives. It's like you're all trying to look back up the hill and thinking it's looking down. It's not even that this entire franchise is targeted to teen girls or that it's a movie and book series. It's that this website is dedicated to a group that is spending hundreds to perhaps thousands of dollars on tiny piles of plastic that you turn into little men to fight with your dude friends using dice in basements or the back of comic book stores and you can nerdrage for years about a harry potter proxy for teen girls with cute boys and mysterious and sparkly vampires. Who cares. It's not for you. Get over it.

It isn't a case of being higher or lower on the hill, both are pretty much exactly the same. Twilight's sexless but oh-so pretty mythical boys and 40K forever war ultraviolence are just the juvenile female aesthetic and juvenile male aesthetic respectively.

We mock the one for girls while embracing the one made for boys. Not that there's anything wrong with making fun of other people's interests, but it's a mistake to assume our thing is somehow superior to their thing.

But now you're implying that boys aren't better than girls; I sure won't be letting you in my couch fort any time soon!

Now I see this 40k/Twilight war as one of those one-sided circles. You know, those weird circles that the inside and otuside are the same. Anyway, I see it like them, because we are all doing the same thing, supporting what we like, and every so often one group holds the top part, the after time, the other group holds it. Each group can mock the other one equally. Or maybe this nerdrage has gotten into my head. Maybe I would actually like Twilight if I didn't hate sparkly things and cute vampires. Jakob is OK, as long as he stays a wolf, never human form.

I agree with Sebster. We're not looking down on Twilight fans as some kind of inferior being, we're simply poking fun at something we find ludicrous (Namely sparkly vampires).

Soladrin wrote:Hey, it traumatized me... unsuspectingly walking into a room, to face.... that hideous face... I'm scarred for life >=(

Hey at first everyone was simply alright with it.

It was later on when everyone would have realised how high they must have been when they wrote it. I just wonder though, you have those that comit suicide around their real life counter parts, but what would they do if someone tried it in their world? Open their mouth and enjoy the free meal?















I agree though Edward's face is creepy.

Perhaps Shuma and his ilk are going a bit too far in the opposite direction?

The caricature of the "live and let live" argument they are presenting is a little over the top.

Vampires have been somewhat nerdy for a long time now. They're something to be vanquished in D&D, something to pretend that you are in a park with a bunch of other nerds, or something to place a +1/+1 counter on when a creature dies on the same turn the vampire damages it. Then this paragon of nerdy ideals is taken and made cute and sparkly to be sold to a group of people that don't know the difference between a Brujah and a Malkavian.

I'm not saying that's what I think, but it seems to be the main issue and I can objectively understand their position.

From personal experience with the Twilight-ites (aka my wife, neighbor, and all female relatives, and co-workers) I will say that they know their material. I've never seen a group of people tear through a series of books (and retain the knowledge). I would like to think that I got my friends hooked on the Game of Thrones series, but it still took us months to get through them. The women made it through all 4 books in less than 1-2 months.

That being said I've been to the local premier of all three Star Wars prequels, LotR movies, Spiderman, and the Watchmen (among others). When I went to the Twilight and New Moon premier (the wife dragged me along) I've never heard such noises from women. I've also never been to a Chippendale's show so I don't know all the excitement that women are capable of, but I'm pretty sure they are near equivalent. I think a woman behind me literally had an orgasm when Jacob takes his shirt off for the first time.

My point is that for all the talk of who has rights to the higher ground I've never seen guys behave the way women have at these type of premiers.

Of course when the Ultramarines movie comes out who knows...

I plan to show up to the local premier of the Ultramarines movie dressed as Marneus Calgar and shouting anti-Xeno epithets at passersby.

Angrily.

You should do that at a Tea Party.

Obama can't be a High Lord, he was born on Ulthwe! Stop them from chaosisng our healthcare! How can Tyranids melt solid ceramite? Macragge was an inside job, wake up groxle!

Vampires have been somewhat nerdy for a long time now. They're something to be vanquished in D&D, something to pretend that you are in a park with a bunch of other nerds, or something to place a +1/+1 counter on when a creature dies on the same turn the vampire damages it. Then this paragon of nerdy ideals is taken and made cute and sparkly to be sold to a group of people that don't know the difference between a Brujah and a Malkavian.

I'm pretty sure you can't dibs a historical monster that even DND represents incredibly inaccurately when contrasted to actual myth. Vampires in all forms of fiction are a crappy monster. The kind that glitters is no worse than the kind that wears bondage and fights werewolves (hurr!).

Shuma: On the contrary, I find that if Edward dressed like a Cenobite and eviscerated a couple of werewolves with a silver halberd he would gain a lot more street cred.

And the funny thing about myth is that it can evolve. The wampyr from Eastern European myth has gone from a hideous bloodsucking beast to a urbane, sophisticated gentleman and is now a brooding teenager of ambiguous sexual preference. Who knows what it will be in another 400 years?

Shuma: On the contrary, I find that if Edward dressed like a Cenobite and eviscerated a couple of werewolves with a silver halberd he would gain a lot more street cred.

Well yeah. You're a dude. I would find that he would have a lot more street cred if the scripts he were in were better written and there was an actual level of relatable personal confliction and temptation in his character. Running around in leather and flinging swords at other vampires doesn't make something more credible, it's every bit as juvenile as the alternative. You're just not a girl, so you value the violence over the romance.

And the funny thing about myth is that it can evolve.

Certainly true.

The wampyr from Eastern European myth has gone from a hideous bloodsucking beast to a urbane, sophisticated gentleman and is now a brooding teenager of ambiguous sexual preference.

Yeah. It was a real gentlemans club before.

Who knows what it will be in another 400 years?

Hopefully gone.

Oh I see. You're just being unpleasant then. I apologize for attempting to enter a civil exchange with you.

I could go back over the context in which I was referring to Twilight's "street cred" but something tells me it would be a tremendous waste of time.

Monster Rain wrote:Oh I see. You're just being unpleasant then. I apologize for attempting to enter a civil exchange with you.

I could go back over the context in which I was referring to Twilight's "street cred" but something tells me it would be a tremendous waste of time.

Feel free. I found it strange that hollywood movie monsters would even be able to have street cred, especially incarnations of such monsters that almost by definition (magic, videogames, dnd) involve being in a house and not on a street.

Actually, I don't believe most vampires are allowed into one's house unless invited.

I would imagine that most of their interactions would take place outdoors.

My story: I read all 4 books in a month or so for my girlfriend's birthday so she'd have someone to talk to. I've since had many conversations with girls about Twilight and if I'm available again will certainly use this as a tactic to get women interested in me. I go to the movie premieres with her because she's really into it. I honestly don't mind it, though I'm not going to scream whenever I see Robert Pattinson or look up crap about it online. As far as what she could be in to girly-wise, Twilight tops my list.

Shuma, looks like we're on the same team on this one Does anybody else think it's odd that if a chick plays a wargame everyone thinks it's awesome and many would likely hover over her or treat her like a goddess but if a guy liked Twilight he'd have lots of weird pressure and awkward looks to deal with? People should be free to like what they like without having disproportionate reactions cast at them. I feel like people go out of their way to hate Twilight without good justification. Stephenie Meyer doesn't watch vampire movies or read vampire books; she simply used a name of a type of myth and made it her way, the same way that underworld vampires are different from WoD vamps to DnD vamps. I think the idea of a soulless, loveless being is more slowed than one who retains human qualities personally.

In response to specific accusations:

They aren't sexless. In the 4th book Bella is left extremely bruised after her and Edward have sex (and her half-vampire child begins eating her from the inside, forcing her to drink blood while still human). Alice and Jasper talk about hooking up for months on end after getting together. Rosalie only got turned because she was dying after being sexually assaulted and it was the only way to keep her "alive." Twilight has more sex than 40k.

People die. More people die than in Dragonball Z or Bleach. In particular the 3rd movie features an army of otherwise innocent newbie vamps getting slaughtered.

The characters can be bad-ass too. Jasper got "turned" in the civil war and is supposed to be covered in scars (hope they get this right in the movie). Edward hunts mountain lions and Emmett hunts bears for fun (again, missing from the movie). The Volturi consume a room of tourists and have agents that can cause people immense pain and make them convulse until they die just by looking at them.

Not saying anyone has to like it, just trying to quell at least some of the bashing.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Not saying anyone has to like it, just trying to quell at least some of the bashing.

I'd be really shocked if those bashing it have even cracked one of the books. I think it's all done mainly out of having a bit of fun, and not nearly as malicious as some would make it out to be.