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Made in gb
Lord of the Fleet






There's a fair bit of extraneous stuff in there. No way should you need $50 in brushes, nor is there any point in buying citadel tool kit. Not to mention, 2500 points is a lot bigger than what many people play. Your paint is way over the top as well - you don't need four pots of red and black for 2500 points - I base coated a mechanized battle company with three pots. And why do you need four pots of black? 25 pots of paint is way over the top for an army that size.

Regardless, $800-1000 is probably a fair value for an army that'll last you a couple of years. How much do most gamers spend on hardware and games in two years? I spend more than that and I'm a pretty casual videogame player.

Gaming and wargaming are two of my cheapest hobbies by far.

A one-day special stage rally costs as much as an army. (not counting the car and potential repairs) 10 airsofting trips (not counting any equipment, just fees, travel and consumables) costs about the same as an army.

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Fixture of Dakka





sourclams wrote:
You have to buy models several times, especially as editions change with the tendency to release 'new and better models'.


GW models explicitly never become illegal. Buying updated versions of models is your preference only.

Scott filled in the rest of my objections to the mythical pricing schemes presented.

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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. 
   
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Dominar






DarknessEternal wrote:GW models explicitly never become illegal. Buying updated versions of models is your preference only.

Scott filled in the rest of my objections to the mythical pricing schemes presented.


You're completely wrong.

Squats.
Lost and the Damned.
Powerfist Chaplain.
Inquisitorial Allies.
Space Wolf Leman Russ Exterminator.

Even if the exact model does not change, the nature of the army will alter drastically. Nidzilla is effectively impossible, for example. An Inquisitorial army list built around Storm Troopers is very likely going to lose all of its hellguns in favor of mass special weapons. Space Wolves went from footslogging GH and BC squads with the occasional vehicle to 15 missilelauncher Long Fangs and vehicle walls. It is, simply, stupid to compare a Same-Army-For-Five-Years player to an Every-New-Videogame player. They are tacitly not the same.

I've spent more than $7,000 on GW models in 4 years.
From 2004-2008, including a $1200 desktop, I spent roughly $2,000 on two World of Warcraft games, monthly subscription fees, and Dawn of War. Somebody (and they exist, I know one) who plays nothing but Counterstrike on his 7 year old desktop spends approximately $0 on videogaming.

Peoples' approach to either hobby will vary. It is dumb to try to make sweeping cost generalizations, because the spending pattern will be entirely dependent on what their degree of involvement is.
   
Made in gb
Lord of the Fleet






sourclams wrote:I tend to play new armies, as they're released, just to get a feel for them. I just recently bought an entire Terminator army list for Deathwing. I've easily spent more than $7,000 on just GW miniatures and 'essentials' in the 3 years I've been in the hobby. If you compare a TT gamer like me to someone playing Counterstrike on a 6 year old Dell, the cost structure does a complete flip-flop.

Your comparison is totally bogus. The guy that just plays counterstrike on his old dell compares just fine to the guys with their old 500-1000 point armies.

Try comparing yourself to the videogamers that buy every major release (say 2-3 brand-new games a month). That also requires hardware every couple of years. They're spending almost as much as you, more if they're PC gamers also.

Both wargaming and videogaming can be done on the cheap or they can be really expensive. They both have similar buy-ins (you can start in either for around the $300-400 mark) and both allow you to choose how much you spend on an on-going basis.
   
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Been Around the Block




sourclams wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:GW models explicitly never become illegal. Buying updated versions of models is your preference only.

Scott filled in the rest of my objections to the mythical pricing schemes presented.


You're completely wrong.

Squats.
Lost and the Damned.
Powerfist Chaplain.
Inquisitorial Allies.
Space Wolf Leman Russ Exterminator.

Even if the exact model does not change, the nature of the army will alter drastically. Nidzilla is effectively impossible, for example. An Inquisitorial army list built around Storm Troopers is very likely going to lose all of its hellguns in favor of mass special weapons. Space Wolves went from footslogging GH and BC squads with the occasional vehicle to 15 missilelauncher Long Fangs and vehicle walls. It is, simply, stupid to compare a Same-Army-For-Five-Years player to an Every-New-Videogame player. They are tacitly not the same.

I've spent more than $7,000 on GW models in 4 years.
From 2004-2008, including a $1200 desktop, I spent roughly $2,000 on two World of Warcraft games, monthly subscription fees, and Dawn of War. Somebody (and they exist, I know one) who plays nothing but Counterstrike on his 7 year old desktop spends approximately $0 on videogaming.

Peoples' approach to either hobby will vary. It is dumb to try to make sweeping cost generalizations, because the spending pattern will be entirely dependent on what their degree of involvement is.


Inquisitorial Allies and the SW LRE can always be exchanged/sold to people who collect the army(s) that can still use them. Other models can be converted. Yes, nidzilla isn't really possible anymore. Carnifexes are very secondrate. So convert your carnies into tervigons/harpies/tyrrannofexes. This is even easier if you magnetize your models, which many 'nid players do.

Lets take the new SW codex and what you would have to change from the old edition:
Sell off your Leman Russ tanks to IG players
Use that money to get 3 devastator squad boxes and SW heads. Get some of the random missile launchers pretty much all SM players have laying around they got with their tac squads.
You will have to buy a bunch of rhinos/razorbacks, but you can get them secondhand for cheap, or even if you don't you probably aren't gonna spend over $250 on the models, then however much you will need to paint them(doubt over $300 total).

And a new codex comes around every 9 years or so it seems unless you play vanilla space marines(who don't generally have dramatic model changes in their iterations anyways). So $300 every 9 years? Not too bad. It was only the initial investment that was huge(which is really the barrier to entry for the game).

If you collect multiple armies or are constantly army switching to the new biggest badest army, then yes, it is going to cost you an arm and a leg. That is the cost of trying to stay at the head of the power curve. Keeping a state of the art computer is likely going to cost just as much though.

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Lord of the Fleet






sourclams wrote:Peoples' approach to either hobby will vary. It is dumb to try to make sweeping cost generalizations, because the spending pattern will be entirely dependent on what their degree of involvement is.

Exactly - the two hobbies are pretty similar costwise but that cost can vary dramatically between people.

There are plenty of hobbies where the buy-in is much higher and the cost of participating is much higher. Both 40K and videogaming are nice in that it costs virtually nothing to play once you've started and you're rarely required to spend any money to continue participating.
   
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator





Glasgow

Personally; for DoW; it could be a great way to both advertise the hobby to the masses and also to get more people interested in lesser used armies in 40k. However...the problem with this is the races have become so damn predictable.

Its always SM, Eldar, Orks and one other army (usually Chaos or IG; other one becomes the first expansion race) as the beginning race. Its a wasted opportunity...

 
   
 
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