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I don't take his side ._.

That's a little to offensive.

Ya redneck xD

I've got one.



Try it out. It might catch on.

Fateweaver wrote:That's my problem with salary caps. Of course NY and Dallas will get more money than MN. Bigger states so they can afford better players (usually).

Yes, and when bigger states buy better players you end up with a less competitive league. Which sucks for everyone.

FITZZ wrote:

Albatross wrote:Wait... you looked at Vid Guerra's FACE??!?



I was too busy thinking about 'motorboating' her arse-cheeks to even CONSIDER the fact that she might have a face.

Exactly!...as I said,I had seen dozens of photos and videos before even realizing she had a head.

Here Alby,this is for you...NSFW BTW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZoVu4gXFNY

Good lord...

I find there are (like most things) two kinds of things you are talking about here. Sorry I dig duallity.

If you are a Britney Spears or a Justin Timberlake or some other Olsen Twin or Paris or Drew Barrymore or... well whatever you get the idea... Then your path was pretty much handed to you long before you had any choice in the matter. Those people are rich and famous for being rich and famous, no matter whether or not they can act.

I don't remember the name I think it was 'scream' and they had Drew killed off in the first scene just so they could have their A-lister on the cover. She probably got paid a big chunk for her one scene. Economics makes that viable. If they can sell more movies having her on the cover, then it is worth it for them to pay her a ludicrous amount just to show up on location some day and do her token scene.

Do I like it? NO! But I do understand it, from an insider perspective.

I worked with celebrities like that who were practically 'bred' into their lives by hyperactive controlling parents with 'connections' in whatever industry in most cases. I worked doing movie soundtracks for a couple of 'actor/musician' types and a couple of notable supermodels and yeah I think they are a bunch of spoiled brats (well Kevin Bacon was cool... that's another story, PM me if ya wanna know) and they have very little concept of how far they are distanced from the everyman.

On the other end of the duality are people like Metallica or Benecio Del Toro (who's first movie they only cast him because he was the "ugliest" guy that tried out for the part) or Kurt Cobain and Dave Grohl, Tom Waits and such scumbaggery (Tom Waits lived in the back of his station wagon while making his first record, and Kurt lived on Ramen noodles and Spam, just dreaming the dream, just for instance). See those people are the larger than life legends. John Lennon was a punk longshoreman's son. Who will be remembered? Him or Paris Hilton?

Jimi Hendrix learned to play guitar on his own by having it strapped around him whenever he was conscious, constantly noodling around on it and just making himself awesome, walking around the kitchen cooking eggs with one hand and noodling his axe with the other. Metallica got their first album out by handing out free cassette tapes that say "copy me, rewrite this, and give it away" (I have one!) until someone noticed the buzz they had created for themselves. Kurt Cobain used to send mocking letters to record companies covered with his own boogers, expecting nobody to take them seriously so why the hell not, right?

Those self-made 'celebrities' seem to me like they put up with a life of turmoil, being underpaid, underappreciated, until suddenly they explode and life is good and yattah yattah and then they O.D. or suicide or whatever. I'm sorry but Justin Timberlake didn't work for his status he was given it. No way in hell anyone could put him or Britney etc. on the same kind of pedestal as a Johnny Cash or Tom Waits or Bob Dylan.

Point is, some worked for it, struggled for it, and deserve their demi-god status. Others were bred into it and take it for granted that they get a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card like Paris or Martha Stewart, and just own half the world because they were born into it, or had a famous parent upon whom they can ride coattails.

When I went to Cannes film festival a couple years ago, I was shocked how ridiculous some of these people's ego complexes went. I was just a musician for a soundtrack along for the ride, I'm a nobody. Still I couldn't walk out the door of the hotel without 500 papparazi checking to see who I was. When they realize I'm nobody interesting they lower their cameras and wait for the next person... who JUST MIGHT BE SANDRA BULLOCK or something (OMG OMG OMFG!). When those people came out they were actually on the job, making a public 'scene'. When I went out it was because I like cigarettes and was bored (and I liked messing with the papparazi).

Different walks of life. Different responsibilities. That's why they are paid so much, deserving or not. Imagine the cost just for security and trransportation for someone who is constantly harassed by photographers and such.

Guitardian wrote:I don't remember the name I think it was 'scream' and they had Drew killed off in the first scene just so they could have their A-lister on the cover. She probably got paid a big chunk for her one scene. Economics makes that viable. If they can sell more movies having her on the cover, then it is worth it for them to pay her a ludicrous amount just to show up on location some day and do her token scene.

Yeah it was scream, but it wasn't about getting Drew Barrymore on the cover - she isn't that big a draw card, and certainly wasn't at the time. It was a little joke about how you could pick the survivor of a horror film from the start by picking the most famous actress involved. Instead they killed her off in the opening scene. Scream. It was meta.

I'd actually argue that celebrity has the opposite effect of the one you claim, it limits cameos and twists in films. Barrymore's death in Scream, or Seagal's in Executive Decision were great twists. Cameos and ensemble casts regularly make movies, but are much rarer than star vehicles because of the influence of celebrity on film - the celebrities are sensibly protective of their brand, and that means putting themselves in movies that star them, where their character is heroic and noble and all that crap.

Sandra Bullock would not work on 'Murder by numbers' (another movie I was involved with actors from for soundtracky stuff) unless she got FIRST in the opening credits. Now that is just plain petty IMO. "I won't be in this movie unless my name comes first in the credits.." is that kind of what you're getting at there? cuz I imagine she isn't the only one like that... which begs the question... how does it resolve when two ego trips bang into each other on a movie set, or arguing about who's band should be opening for who, and so on? Silly silly people I tell ya.

It’s part of it but I’m thinking more about things that actually affect the movies. At the end of the day I don’t think it matters much whether one person or another is listed first on the credits, the movie is the same.

I’m also thinking more about how it effects which movies get made and how those films take shape. Stars are reluctant to take on roles that might threaten or hurt their brand, and given that films get made because stars are interested in the lead roles, we end up with a much narrower range of films than might otherwise be the case.

I thought listing in the credits was determined by guild conditions, either order of appearance or most lines or screen time or something?

No it's based on ego and who's ass the producer has to kiss to get them to agree to do the film. In lower budget stuff, yeah SAG has a kind of 'union' ruleset that is often ignored, but in big productions, it's like wading into a pool of pirhanas with a bleeding scrotum to watch how bad these people are protective of what was earlier refered to as their 'brand'... "I'm sandra bollocks, spokeswoman for sandra bollocks style movies" or... "I'm Maddona Louise Chicone, board member, shareholder and spokeswoman for Maddona industries". Kind of puts it in perspective when people take their names on two fronts, one is their name, and one is an industry.

My pops should be a celebrity. He has some kind of super liver which enables him to drink like 5 bottles of red and stay coherent. He'll even eat dessert! That gak is amazing. He's also like 80 years old or close to it.

But if he had his own show it would totally suck arse. It'd be like the Osbournes without the "F" bomb.

Khornholio wrote:My pops should be a celebrity. He has some kind of super liver which enables him to drink like 5 bottles of red and stay coherent. He'll even eat dessert! That gak is amazing. He's also like 80 years old or close to it.

But if he had his own show it would totally suck arse. It'd be like the Osbournes without the "F" bomb.

I'd watch it. I love me some old dudes that are too drunk to know that they're drunk. Fun people.