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I've yet to be phased out. Beaten, yes, though rarely is it more than a "barely lost" lose. waiting for the day it happens. Phase out, I mean. Gotten close to phase out a few times though, lucky WBB rolls saved me.

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You're either a really good necron player, or all your opponants really don't know how to use their armies.

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You're either a really good necron player, or all your opponants really don't know how to use their armies.

While I'd like to think its the former I'm pretty sure that a lot of it has been luck on my part. That and I think I do a pretty good job of protecting my squishy warriors. But I had a pretty good teacher on learning the game so that probably helped as well. I haven't fought too many different armies though. I've played against a few MEQ armies, tau, nids and....something else. That's about it though, so far. mech tau gave me a sound thrashing but no phase out. LoL I'm sure it will happen some day.

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heck, I remember one game I played my buddies SM, it was a 1000pt game. I took a lith, 2 squads of 10 warriors each, immortals, a decked out lord and 4 destroyers. He had tons of plasma and missile launchers. I think one assault squad, some tac marines, landspeeder, i think a rhino and then his command squad. One squad of warriors did nothing the entire time but chill in 4+ cover and soak up missile fire, they were my stay safe and no phase out squad. LoL ended up beating my buddy with that squad having never moved or fire one shot. Though my destroyers got blasted in turn one or two, my mistake.

I hate blood angels its only a spam assualt army. And thats why i'm not going to GW. Because everyone plays blood angels.

That little kid with the suck conversions and a non legal army, he then proceds to say ah but i have logan grimnar and the sanguinor...

I can understand the hate for Necrons; we're kinda confusing ruleswise with both Phase-Out and We'll be Back. And we're apparently the worst or near-worst army (Although I don't have the playing experience to support this).

That said, won't stop me from playing them.

For me, no army seems bad to me right now, but I'm a newb.

IG for me becuase they just beat me... bad thing is i was playing as orks, my first game with them, let my friend use my IG which i have lever won with and he beat me!!!

I voted BA due to the sheer awfulness of the fluff and rules.

Edit: Sorry, thought the filter would catch that.

Allow me to speculate.

Witchhunters are everybody's favourite army to play against. No doubt you agree with my highly scientific logic.

(Dark Angles don't count, the only reason no-one voted for them is because there are other MEQs that people hate more).

If we study what it is that makes Witchhunters so nice to fight against, we shall learn how to make the other armies as nice. Learning is fun!

1) Witchhunters are rare.
One of the least common armies in the game. Most of the hate directed at the various flavours of Marine comes not from the army itself (themselves?) But from the ubiquitous presence of MEQs. Familiarity breeds contempt.

2) Witchhunter armies look damned good.
We have some of the best models in the game, and great scope for converting - albeit limited by metal. A well-painted force of sisters is a sight to stir the soul.

3) Witchunters are fairly balanced.
We have an old codex with no uber-builds that haven't been studied and countered. We have a solid basic troop choice, and a couple of top-tier tanks, but nothing completely gonzo. We have some special rules that can be powerful, or can fail completely - but either way, they tend to be interesting for both players.


I think these three points are the acme of a fun army to play against. Don't beleive me? Let's take a look at a purely random example, say, blood Angels:

1) Flavour of the Month - some people can't move without tripping over red power armour.

2) Holy Bat-Nipples, Batman!

3) For discussions on Blood Angel's balance see any other thread on this forum.


(For what it's worth, I actually have no opinion on Bangles, never having seen any - I voted for Chaos Space Marines)

I have to say eldar because of the turn 5 draw GRRR eldar

I voted IG, only because the only people who don't play with terrible rules (I can claim cover inside the rubble, but not behind it) plays them. It kinda wears a little. He recently picked up some Orks though, and they were fun to play against.

i hat the necrons because there are so many of the fethers. i also think that they are to hard to shoot at form a ranged perspective but if i had assault marines i would own but i dont so i hate em!!!!!

comisarmilo wrote:i hat the necrons because there are so many of the fethers. i also think that they are to hard to shoot at form a ranged perspective but if i had assault marines i would own but i dont so i hate em!!!!!

Why would you use assault marines? I have assault marines, and I have used them against necrons, and the fail. If I ever use them, it's because I'm experienced enough fighting Necrons that I can still make it work, and I use them as a bodyguard to keep up with my 195pt jump-pack-toting captain I sometimes field.

But tbh, chainswords won't do much - they'll hold out in assault, trust me. You need assault termies, with a chaplain, in a LR. 'Nuff said, it destroys all necrons (except the mono, but little destroys that. I find the best and only way to ever take them out is firing all my lascannons at them, and by turn 2 or 3 they're dead - or use 'noughts in pods). If you're assaulting without power weapons, then it ain't gonna work. Assault marines are best at taking out low armour save enemies. If you really like the assault marines for fighting crons, use vanguard, but they epic phailz so much anyway it's really not worth it. They cost over half the pts of 5 Terminators and they definitely are not worth their pts right there.

Trust me, there are many ways to defeat necrons is to get into CC with power weapons and lightning claws and stuff (i.e. relic blades)

Well, none.
My lists are always all-comers.

Tyranids because of Paroxysm

Imperial Guard, their turns takes ages ><"

Eldar/Dark Eldar, though not due to army composition or rules or any of that. It just seems that the dice always seem to favor the SPEHSS ELVES in all of my confrontations with them...

Space Elfs from Space.

Armies come and go in terms of power but the Space Elfs had 'annoying' build into their concept.

Fluff-wise they are the fastest, smartest, best warriors, best tech, best psykers, best strategists in the whole UNIVERSE. They have A GOD who has nothing better to do than join every little patrol and skirmish around.

Just plain annoying.

Seeing that the majority of the posts here are along the line of "I don't like new codexes" the poll results only show that the nids codex is probably below par

@ shrubs or anyone else who knows,

loads of people on Dakka keep talking about sub-par and as above, below par. What does it mean?

Darkvoidof40k wrote:@ shrubs or anyone else who knows,

loads of people on Dakka keep talking about sub-par and as above, below par. What does it mean?

I've first heard of the term in golf. Each hole on a golf course has a 'par' number, which is kind of the norm number of hits that you need for that hole. I think that sub-par thus means below average, ie not as good as average.

Thanks, I was kinda getting that impretion when reading these things, although I wasn't sure if '-par' stood for something.

Now, back on topic (I say that a lot in threads )

The result does not surprise me. I also hate to play against guard.
All you can do is hope to close the gap fast enough or you'll simply be shot to death.
Guard players need alot of time for their turns although many of them do not even move a single unit.
Close combat with guardmen is also very boring as they usually never stand a chance.

I voted Spess Mehrens....in Spess *who are bald*.....

Why? We'll simply I hate the fact that everybody uses them now a days. No varation, no fun.

vleermie wrote:Imperial Guard, their turns takes ages ><"

Haha, we needed more dice and I'm making movement trays.
Shouldn't be so long next time...
Maybe we should bring a bucket too?

I voted dark eldar, because there are two ways your games can go against them.

1-victory, in which case the dark eldar player proceeds to bitch about how old his codex is, how hard they are to use, etc etc.
2-defeat, in which case the dark eldar player brags about how hard his book is to use, ignoring the fact that his tactical option basically consists of spamming lances and lances and lances and wyches. I mean they are basically flying shooty orks. Point and click.

But some other armies I have hatred for, for various reasons of varying validity.

Orks, easiest army in the game to play, by far. I played as orks for the first time yesterday, borrowing a friends wagon rush, and tabled a pretty mean space wolf army with them. Ive never had such easy point and go gaming as I did with the orks. 4th edition mechdar were harder to win with. Games essentially boil down to I killed enough boys before they charged, so I win. Or I didnt kill enough boys before they charged, so I didnt win. Also, turns take for fething ever. Seriously, a 25 minute turn is not fun to sit through.

Necrons, only because every game Ive had against them in the last 2 years the person has tried to chain WBB rolling, stand up one guy who is within six inches, roll for all the guys next to him, etc etc.

Space wolves, but only because my two armies are eldar and nids, and wolves have the tools to bone both these armies up their backsides. If I still had my imperial fists it would be different.

Tau, because every game is the tau player happy and gitty that he might win for the first 2-3 turns, and then depressed the last 2-3 turns.

Blood angels, not because ive played against them a lot, because I havent. The only time I played against them was in a team tournament, and they got massacred. Guard+Bugs FTW. But because there is no reason they should have their own codex, let alone it coming out so soon. The last thing we need in 5th edition is more choppy marine armies for uncreative people to play. I mean they have 5 books for loyalist marines, and 1 for chaos marines, and then 1 for every xenos race. If they want to do so many loyalist marine books they should do it this way. Codex shooty marines (salamanders, ultrines, imperial fists etc) and codex choppy marines (space wolves, blood angels). People with IQs less then 85 can play the second.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Space Elfs from Space.

Armies come and go in terms of power but the Space Elfs had 'annoying' build into their concept.

Fluff-wise they are the fastest, smartest, best warriors, best tech, best psykers, best strategists in the whole UNIVERSE. They have A GOD who has nothing better to do than join every little patrol and skirmish around.

Just plain annoying.

And fluff-wise they're always getting their asses handed to them...by spess mehreens, usually. And please, that "God" is only brought up to make other characters look better by kicking the gak out o him; CALGAR PUNCH HUAH!

SANGUINOR ANGRY
SANGUINOR STRANGLE AVATAR

Space Marines, because I'm sick of seeing them.

I understand this is a tad hypocritical coming from a player who owns an SM army

Tau

"Yah, that seeker missile system has inifnite range"

"Yah, I can Move shoot move"

"Yah, outflanking kroot"

"Yah, your my perfered enemy now"