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just hit them with dudes, lootas, and deffrollas. If that fails, smack your opponent with a dildo. That should keep them plenty shocked enough for you to win the game.

notabot187 wrote: Does Zogwarts viper attacks benefit from this? I can't think of any good reason why not. Food for thought. A model with 3 S4 PW attacks (on the charge) + d6 wounds on 2s PW attacks...

Yes, they do stack, but it's 2+D6.

vikings vs mafia wrote:

ChrisCP wrote:
So you display a poll that 76-51 in favor of our 'side'... from 2008

Read more carefully. 82 to 45 would NOT play the game that way.

Our 'Side' is people who acknowledge the move is legal. If they then choose to say 'But I don't like it.' *Shrug* they've acknowledged that - reallt, it's a-oh-kay

The battlewagon burna unit is pretty damn nasty. I think gaz is the outright meanest unit in the ork codex.

Ork shooty horde is a noobslayer army for sure. Sure you have 180 shoota boys and 45 lootas. Those lootas can crack 3 transports a turn if they are lucky. The boys arent doing anything decent until they get within 18, and all 180 arent getting within 18 in one turn. Like someone said, play marines, guard, tau, chaos, any army really with no assault phase and see how badly you lose. If I play Ig I will shoot and pbs your lootas off the table first turn and laugh as you try and catch me with big blocks of iq 25 fungus. Blood angels mech or jumper army could feth this list up something fierce too. Same with space wolves.

As far as people calling nob bikers the ultimate deathstar and stuff, they are cool but most armies have an easy answer to them. If my nids see them its warriors and hive guard. The leadership is sub par, but the nature of the unit makes it very easy to get instant kills in with torrented S8 shots. I know some armies cant do this. But most of your big competitive lists will. TH/SS terminators, fire dragons, hive guard, long fangs/wolf cav with wolf lord, gobs of melta guns and lasplas razorbacks, lascannons/ordnance/pbs. Most really competitive armies have an easy way to deal with nob bikers that requires half the biker units points to dedicate to shooting/punching them for a turn. Theres a reason nob bikers havent placed in any events in the last year or so. Orks in general are a n00b slayer list, but the two big things listed here, nob bikers and shooty horde are the biggest beginner killer armies.

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