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the models they make are pretty high quality.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440032a&prodId=prod460002a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440032a&prodId=prod460008a

Aren't those older models?

If ya want to do old models, this is the worst model GW has made thus far IMO.

Melissia wrote:Aren't those older models?

Hmm the ones above? They came out in the new Beastman Release so thats like this past year. Makes me fee a little better with my small collection of cheaper models like WF and Mantic that big companies can have slip ups too

Not to mention GW cant make good women for

I love 40k but like most players I dislike GW's behaviour.

Unlike some people I have had issues with GW retail staff upselling things and being obnoxious condescending prats who barely know anything about their hobby. I figure thats less institutional and more a case of those stores being staffed by morons who hire their moron friends to boost the moron population of the store.

I also dislike GW's attention span for things being misdirected, like LOTR. Sure it was good with the film tie-in and everything, but the last film is seven years old, and the game mechanics are really, really bad.

Necromunda and Mordheim could have done with the support, Blood Bowl, Epic and Warmaster could do with the ocasional spotlight or a revised edition of Gorka Morka. Inquisitor was given a lofty fanfair with its release and nearly a year afterwards was practically forgotten.

Or even within their primary cashcow, its taken nearly 14 years for the Dark Eldar to get anything new, the Necrons have languished in non-existence for some time and so have the inquistion factions. All because they felt they needed Space Marines that were like other Space Marines, but wore different hats.

Chaos Demons is another issue, I know why they did it, and consider it a massive dick-move for GW to do that to Chaos players and an even bigger insult to anyone hoping their Grotesques get updated.

At least they did the right thing by outsourcing DH, RT and DW.

Personally I think the move to make Chaos Daemons its own army was a good one. I'm actually interested in a daemons army. I have zero percent interest in a Marines With Spiky Shoulders And Bad Attitudes army.

Melissia wrote:Personally I think the move to make Chaos Daemons its own army was a good one. I'm actually interested in a daemons army. I have zero percent interest in a Marines With Spiky Shoulders And Bad Attitudes army.

I'm with Eyeclonus on this. If they'd made it a combined LotD / Daemons army it would have been fine, but daemons in 40k are supposed to be stuck in the Warp until some psychic event weakens the barrier for them, whether that be a deliberate summoning, a psyker drawing on too much power, or a negative space wedgie like the Eye of Terror. Daemons that force their way into the material universe under their own power should have been left to WHFB.

AlexHolker wrote:

Melissia wrote:Personally I think the move to make Chaos Daemons its own army was a good one. I'm actually interested in a daemons army. I have zero percent interest in a Marines With Spiky Shoulders And Bad Attitudes army.

I'm with Eyeclonus on this. If they'd made it a combined LotD / Daemons army it would have been fine, but daemons in 40k are supposed to be stuck in the Warp until some psychic event weakens the barrier for them, whether that be a deliberate summoning, a psyker drawing on too much power, or a negative space wedgie like the Eye of Terror. Daemons that force their way into the material universe under their own power should have been left to WHFB.

Considering that fluff is what GW says it is, and the fluff was adjusted to allow Daemons to stand alone as an army, I'm not sure what you're on about.

OT:

Every single business or hobby has a bunch of haters that go on the internet and bitch about them. As long as people keep spending money on the products I'm sure they don't care.

Razorgor. Probably one of the most fugly GW sculpts ever.

I like 40K alot. Never used to. I thought it was like work and expensive hobby. Then I tried it and I'm not talented at all but I really like to paint. I'm about half and half player/paint. I really bitch in the context of loving the hobby and wanting to see a little more of this; less of that. I really like Blood angels, certain chapters marines, Space Wolves, Black Templars,Tyranids,some demons, most guard. I run Vostroyans and have alot of fun with it.



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Looking forward to what we see with Dark Eldar.

I've played and modelled 40k armies for about 15 years now. As the hobby progresses I enjoy the fluff of the 40k universe more and more, but at the same time I get more detached from the actual tabletop game.

The trend in the last couple editions of putting infantry on the back burner and making it all Mech all the time kills it for me. The Battle-reps consisting 3 Deffrolla Battlewagons VS 6 Predators have all the drama of mowing the lawn for me. I'll just keep playin the PC games and reading the books until things start to swing back towards the foot sloggers again

Tekksama wrote:I've played and modelled 40k armies for about 15 years now. As the hobby progresses I enjoy the fluff of the 40k universe more and more, but at the same time I get more detached from the actual tabletop game.

The trend in the last couple editions of putting infantry on the back burner and making it all Mech all the time kills it for me. The Battle-reps consisting 3 Deffrolla Battlewagons VS 6 Predators have all the drama of mowing the lawn for me. I'll just keep playin the PC games and reading the books until things start to swing back towards the foot sloggers again

Just be like me and make "fluffy" armies

My IG list is 8 infantry squads with three tanks...

I love 40k, and everything that goes with it, the models the books the games and most probably the movie....

I dont hate GW but they do get a lot wrong....

Tekksama wrote:The trend in the last couple editions of putting infantry on the back burner and making it all Mech all the time kills it for me. The Battle-reps consisting 3 Deffrolla Battlewagons VS 6 Predators have all the drama of mowing the lawn for me. I'll just keep playin the PC games and reading the books until things start to swing back towards the foot sloggers again

I'm the exact opposite. There's nothing I like more than a Gorkamorka-style army where there's enough room for everyone to get in a vehicle.

AlexHolker wrote:

Tekksama wrote:The trend in the last couple editions of putting infantry on the back burner and making it all Mech all the time kills it for me. The Battle-reps consisting 3 Deffrolla Battlewagons VS 6 Predators have all the drama of mowing the lawn for me. I'll just keep playin the PC games and reading the books until things start to swing back towards the foot sloggers again

I'm the exact opposite. There's nothing I like more than a Gorkamorka-style army where there's enough room for everyone to get in a vehicle.

True that was fun, but we don't have GorkaMorkas vehicle rules, like boarding an enemy vehicle.

@OP: we all LIKE playing 40k

it's the d-bags that work for GW that we hate.

40k =/= GW.

love the game, hate the owners.

its orgasmic

We love 40k, we just hate the business end; at least that is the consensus i feel.

Lord Manimal wrote:

Terminus wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:I like the game but it's often a disappointment to see how little I have in common with other people who like the game.

This is probably my biggest problem with miniature wargaming in general. Way too many folks playing them fit the stereotypes way too closely. Liking plastic soldiers is no excuse for lack of hygiene or impulse control with the deep-frier.

I think we need to start a club. No Fatties Allowed! lol

All joking aside, I do find that I have a very difficult time relating to other 40K players. I probably come across as aloof or snobbish even, but what can I possibly talk to these folks about, outside of the game? "Hey, that's an interesting stain on your shirt. Which fast food restaraunt did that come from?" I'm fit, healthy, wealthy and by comparison at least, wise. Their worlds seem to begin at the gamestore door and end at McGreasey's Burger Mart.

OMFG this guy has da plan! I totally relate to what your saying I tried my local game club last month for the first time and when I saw the dregs of humanity that made up the club I nearly cried. I dont know how these guys could manage to afford Forge world models/armies but some new clothes or deoderent products seemed to be outta reach. And on top of all that they assume I must be there to make trouble or tease them because I have alot of tatts and dont look like a wargamer but i deserve the chance to play with toy soldiers like anyone else damniit!

I do find that I have a very difficult time relating to other 40K players.

I am a personal trainer, most of my friends are pro athletes and pro body builders... -_-
I understand the lack of ability to relate... i am friendly.. well try to be

Melissia wrote:Aren't those older models?

If ya want to do old models, this is the worst model GW has made thus far IMO.

Ha ha ha! Hilarious!
Anyway, 40K is awesome!
WAAAGH! DA ORKS! If 40K didn't exist, den how iz da orkzez supposed ta Krump da beekies? Weez iz tankin' GW for da good opatunity ta give 'em a good kikkin'!

Lord Manimal wrote:

Terminus wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:I like the game but it's often a disappointment to see how little I have in common with other people who like the game.

This is probably my biggest problem with miniature wargaming in general. Way too many folks playing them fit the stereotypes way too closely. Liking plastic soldiers is no excuse for lack of hygiene or impulse control with the deep-frier.

I think we need to start a club. No Fatties Allowed! lol

All joking aside, I do find that I have a very difficult time relating to other 40K players. I probably come across as aloof or snobbish even, but what can I possibly talk to these folks about, outside of the game? "Hey, that's an interesting stain on your shirt. Which fast food restaraunt did that come from?" I'm fit, healthy, wealthy and by comparison at least, wise. Their worlds seem to begin at the gamestore door and end at McGreasey's Burger Mart.

I feel your pain, brother. No wonder there aren't that many girls in this hobby. I can barely stomach most of these troglodytes, and I don't have to deal with their awkward advances (which are as hilarious as they are tragic).