Kanluwen wrote:And to think, people doubted Grimstonefire and I about Chaos Dwarves!

CDs are back I have good high quality pics of every thing , even the concept art , there will be a new book , foot troops, hobgoblins on foot and on wolfs , and loads of war machines , stuff will be out by Christmas.
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Answers to a few question that I have seen, yes it's this Christmas that some of the cd stuff will be out by, a book with CDs in will be out march, April time, and about foot troops I can only go on what I heard from the guys on the warhammer forge stand and they said there would be some.

Loki said something about wolf riders, hobgoblins on foot, Bull Centaurs and something that looked like a taurus. Hopefully this time tommorrow we will have some pics of concept art to discuss.

Nurgle only gets all the love initially ... with the first book.
They get something similar to an IA book but a series of books are planned. All centered around Chaos.
The Empire stuff are Marienburgers but sadly they are not set to be released as things stand.
There will not be a Chaos Dwarf book in the near future. That is not what this project is about.
No, there is not a full Marienburg army planned either.

DM wrote:Just on the book, I have had a quick leaf through and listened to Rick Preistly chatting the book is about a chaos invasion by a maurder clan and the chap leading it for whom the book is named after. This a takes place in an alternate timeline.
The theme is chaos and particularly nurgle, due for release in the middle of next year.

Or a bit sooner if everything goes to plan.
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This is what it is all about.
(And I have been busting a gut to start talking about this for a while).
First you have Rick P. (for crying out loud) Planning this epic story spanning several volumes of the expansion of Choas. Initially this guy who spreads west through the lands of the Chaos Dwarves and the Ogre Kingdoms. Finally pitching up in the Empire.
This is not written as an unbroken narrative but rather as a selection of scenes of encounters, parts of the story which give the background for the battles.
Spread over more than 40 chapters he will follow the fortunes of the key characters. He follows the fortunes of Tamur Khan for a bit then leaves him hanging whilst following the fortunes of one of his lieutenants for example or spotlighting events elsewhere in the warhammer world which have a bearing on the tale, before returning to the main characters again. All sumptiously illustrated with fine artworks and wonderful maps showing the routes followed by the main protagonists so we can place the events in the warhammer world as the story unfolds.
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Yes a Nurgle worshipping warlord.
My understanding is that the first book features the expansion of Nurgle into the West. This will be followed by the expansion of Tzeentch into the south, Slaanesh into the East and Khorne into the North.
I think we can only begin to imagine what happens when all four points of the Chaos star are in place.
I'm not sure anything quite this cool has ever happened to the hobby.
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...why are the presenting a empire "upgrade" kitt as i think it was called if they are not planning on releasing it...?

Not sure. They made them but they have not been given the nod. Something about not wanting to start an army without plans/capacity to complete the whole Marienburger army.
I think Rick has a big list of models he wants making to go with the books and these are going to be the priority.
it does not mean they won'tdip randomly into other armies just to produce cool stuff but this will be the focus of their efforts and I don't think they have the time/capacity to get involved in whole armies YET! (CD or Empire).
(At least that is my understanding).
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I think we get the first book in about six months time and then I guess the rest over the coming few years
(much like they have rolled out the AI books).

Hochdorf wrote:So... let me get this straight. There's going to be a series of books following four Chaos warlords, starting with this Tamur Khan fellow who is the one devoted to Nurgle? And each of them is going to be attacking a different area of the WH world, potentially meeting up at the end for some cataclysmic battle?
So it looks like Tamur Khan is going to be passing through the Ogre Kingdoms and the Chaos Dwarf realms on his way west from Central Asia (WH equivalent), and apparently he's gathering forces from both of these regions as he goes (hence Chaos Ogres and Chaos Dwarf weapons). In fact, his story may bear a slight resemblance to that of a certain historical Tamerlane... only more gribbly!
Well, if this is true, then it sounds like the most awesome thing ever.

Thats about the size of it .... except you forgot to mention the Hobgoblins and the Chaos Dwarf Centaurs.
(No idea if these will be made but they were there in the art work).

Hochdorf wrote:Harry: That does indeed sound absolutely amazing. If there are Hobgoblins then so much the better. I LOVE HOBGOBLINS. This is all really good news. Do you by any chance know if the Chaos Dwarf Centaurs resemble the Bull Centaurs of old?

In so much as they had four legs and two arms but that is where the similarity ended. The art work was very tasty. No idea if the models are on the way or how close they will get to the art work.

DM wrote:On the Empire upgrade kit, I did hear Rick P say that the sculptor did them as a learning project when they joined.

CMDante wrote:I spoke with Rick at length about the warhammer forge stuff. He told me the following:

- the Empire kits on display were largely done as tests (except the Demi griffon guy and the land ship), the ones on show likely wo t be produced (the fits weren't tight enough) but they will likely re-work them and then release.

They can't start making FW versions of regular infantry units as that treads on the studios toes, so they intend to do upgrade kits to get around this.

- the warhammer books are likely to follow the same template as AI books - a storyline, characters, army lists, special rules and figures to go with.

- launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.

- lots of bespoke Adrian Smith artwork will feature in the first book.

- I saw Ostermark mentioned on one page before Rick flipped through to show me more of the design elements.

- the dragon is likely to get riders (Empire one was defo mentioned).

sparks wrote:Like CMDante and Harry, I had a 20 minute chat with Rick about the book. He clearly seems full of enthusiasm for it and kept on bemoaning the sales people. It seems like a real labour of love and it's only been the last 6-12 months where they've had sufficient people to produce for it. Rick has actually scaled out the WFB map in his own way to plan out how long it would actually take an army to march,etc (mental).

Tamur has taken the form of an Ogre as he takes on the form of whatever he kills (according to Rick). Otherwise he is just a big maggot or a lot of small maggots which are release when he is wounded. Rick said that CD are definitely not an army list, and I guess I should've looked harder at the artwork as I had the impression it would be warmachines and crew only?

He also said there are plans for a mammoth with ogres on it (or equivalent) and in one of the seminars they promised lots of big plastic monsters for next year. The rules/scenarios are not written for the first book apparently. Rick wants to playtest a 24' x 12' board and no one will let him have the space (or something equally ludicrous). Lots of stunning detail, narrative and he expects it to go on for at least the next 6 years or so, with around 2 books a year if all goes to plan. He also mentioned normal dwarves for book 2! (I kept pressing as a dwarf player. I was mainly confused as there was no dwarf involvement despite this fella seemingly marching over the world's edge mountains to get to the Empire!)

All in all, rather excited about the project. Rick basically wants to muck around with the timeline and advance it in these books (he hates the sales driven campaigns and wants to leave the Empire in a complete state of disrepair). The first book either starts or ends with

Spoiler:

the emperor presumed dead along with all or most of the counts

.He also said the first book ends on a cliffhanger so that he can move onto the stories of the other 3 powers if he chooses to. All in all, top bloke and made me very excited about the project. Reminded me very much of Terry Pratchett as well!

miteyheroes from BolS wrote:Apparently the first 4 books will be about 4 huge Chaos invasions, happening all around the WFB world, led by 4 siblings. I'm guessing this will mean 1 book per God, and they'll try to cover lots of different races. Had fascinating chats about Skaven- possible Vermin Lord, possible add-ons to the Doomwheel or Screaming Bell sets- what if the Doomwheel was used as just the wheels of a bigger object? Or a generator? Or imagine teleporters, mixing people together like in the Fly for Moulder?

Kroothawk wrote:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Got some stuff on Chaos Dwarves:

Engineers, crew, and some machines are done. You can probably find some pictures floating around somewhere.

There is no current plans to reintroduce Chaos Dwarves as a major army-rather, they will be worked into the other Chaos lists.

There are no plans to produce any Chaos Dwarf 'grunts' so to speak at this moment in time.

Artwork for Hobgoblins, Bull Centaurs, and Tauros are done. And if the art is anything to go by, yes, you will want a Tauros.

for doing Bighats!

col. krazy kenny wrote:WOW!!!! They out did themselves on this stuff!!! All hail Astrogoth!!!Praise Hashut. The stove pipe stunties are back and are really p.od., some of the best work ive seen from forgeworld in a while.

JohnHwangDD wrote:With the direction things are headed, we'll see a new Giblet Grinda and Tenderizer come out sooner rather than later.

warboss wrote:demigriffon? did flightless griffons actually exist in fantasy warhammer prior to sunday?

AndrewGPaul from Warseer wrote:When I asked Rick Priestley about the scale of the Chaos incursions the books will cover, his replay was "they're the story of how Chaos destroys the world". Without reading the full tet, take that as you will. He also mentioned that they'll cover the main races; this first book will be Nurgle vs the Empire since it was in his words "the easiest to write", and subsequent ones will be something along the lines of Tzeentch vs the Elves, Khorne vs the Dwarfs and Slaanesh vs Lizardmen, something like that.

I was told that the Chaos Dwarfs would be the artillery and engineering corps of the Chaos forces, rather than a full army of their own - the landtrain-style warmachines would be the main focus of that race. As for the initial range, some of the models - like Trish's "Carmine Dragon" - are basically in there to bulk out the ranga, rather than being part of the story. No idea when the book's out - the proper production will start in November, and they've got to fit it into Forgeworld's publishing schedule around the Imperial Armour books. From what Rick said, don't expect it before Imperial Armour 9 at the earliest.

cornonthecob from Warseer wrote:I asked rick priestly about the book and models

He said that the book is about four chaos invasions on the empire, the first is nurgle.

The main guy in this book is a nurgle ogre ( possibly a human) riding the toad dragon

The chaos dwarfs will be only sold with the warmachines , I asked about possibly selling the crew seperatley and they said that it would annoy the sculpters who worked on them to have them be converted into chaos dwarf warriors

The book will go forward in the timeline , because it's forgeworld it's not exactly canon .

That demi-gryph rider is the emperors new champion

Story details

Spoiler:

The fluff is that after this invasion begins , the chaos dwarfs supplying the seige engines, all the elector counts are killed the only remaining electors are the cult of sigmar , ulric and Esme Stoutheart ( The halfling).

Stoutheart becomes the emperor, this lasts for a short while

The toads are made when the leader of the invasion wades into the river reik and befouls it, it turns the frogs and toads into the river into those resin toads.

The emperor has a son, he was kidnapped by orcs and sold to chaos slavers , he's a dark sorceror.

Lord Mayor Of Y'ha-nthlei from Warseer wrote:i was told that one of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbuss and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models, bull centaurs, halberdiers or great weapons, a lord on taurus and a sorcerer (not to mention hobgobbos). most of this stuff will come between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are atill in the concept phase.

apparently the books are heavilly inspired by the realms of chaos books, although rick priestly isn't lead writer he has had a big inflence on them. expect loads of wierd and characterful stuff for all the forces involved.

they will also release random stuff for other races as they 'sometimea have ideas that are too cool to pass up'

a prime example is the vermin lord that mark bedford has been making. it is a sculpt for his own skaven collection but he wants to show it to tony cottrell and thinks the chances are high that it will see release

Kroothawk wrote:

Lord Mayor Of Y'ha-nthlei from Warseer wrote:i was told that one of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbuss and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models, bull centaurs, halberdiers or great weapons, a lord on taurus and a sorcerer (not to mention hobgobbos). most of this stuff will come between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are atill in the concept phase.

apparently the books are heavilly inspired by the realms of chaos books, although rick priestly isn't lead writer he has had a big inflence on them. expect loads of wierd and characterful stuff for all the forces involved.