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(+ Batman)

WarOne wrote:The recent Batman villian Hush could be interesting.

However, they need a villian that is convincing; one that is real enough and does not come off as whackjob looney with no attachment to reality.

Of course I don't know if they really top the Joker and Al'Ghul; two of Batman's most real and dangerous opponents already depicted.

It won't be Hush, simply because Hush needs Jason Todd, Clayface, and a crapload of other characters to be introduced previously.

I can see it being Two-Face, and beginning towards introducing a Robin character.


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Oh, alternatively?
I could see it being Deathstroke or Ras Al'Ghul and gradually plunging Batman from being what he is now...to the DC Universe proper, setting it up towards Justice League.

Point of information, this is Batman VIII, not Batman III.

I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.

I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.

LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.

I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.

Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"

An R-Rated Batman Vs. Predator movie directed by someone competent would be the greatest film of all time.

FITZZ wrote:

LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.

I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.

Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"

Which, frankly, is kinda stupid. You can only rely on Batman for so much.

It doesn't have to be Dick Grayson's Robin, starting off as a little kid until he goes to college then later becomes Nightwing.

It could very easily be a Tim Drake or Jason Todd styled Robin.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Point of information, this is Batman VIII, not Batman III.

Neither is correct. While this is the eighth modern batman film to be made, this is not Batman VIII.

FITZZ wrote:

LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.

I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.

Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"

Thank goodness. In the gritty realism of Gotham, there is only room for people above the age of 18 jumping off buildings and playing super hero. Throwing a kid in is the proverbial shark to be jumped and shifting him to an adult just stretches the ability to suspend disbelief with the level of intensity he's been handling the series.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Poison Ivy...

oh. . my. . GOD! Look at those. . . i'll be right back. . . oh wait can't. never mind. The bible says it's evil.

rubiksnoob wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Poison Ivy...

oh. . my. . GOD! Look at those. . . i'll be right back. . . oh wait can't. never mind. The bible says it's evil.

Wow, another thread with masturbation jokes.

Actually, let's avoid those.

LordofHats wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.

I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.

Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"

Thank goodness. In the gritty realism of Gotham, there is only room for people above the age of 18 jumping off buildings and playing super hero. Throwing a kid in is the proverbial shark to be jumped and shifting him to an adult just stretches the ability to suspend disbelief with the level of intensity he's been handling the series.

Yes and no.

It all depends on how you set up whichever incarnation of Robin's background.

With Dick Grayson, it works simply because he wasn't "a kid", but was more around the age of 10-14(depending on which specific timeframe/author we're talking about the origin of Grayson from) and had been doing the same kind of strenuous physical activity via the acrobatics(without a bloody net, not to mention) that Bruce regularly did. The only thing Grayson didn't have too much experience in was combat, but I'd assume having Wayne as your mentor would count for something there.

With Jason Todd, it'd be a harder sell but it would also open the door for the Red Hood storyline, which was absurdly insanely awesome. Todd was a street kid, found stealing the tires off the Batmobile in Crime Alleysince he was neglected by his parents. Wayne puts him in a school for troubled kids, things go bad there--Wayne gets a new ward.

With Tim Drake, he's a mix of Todd and Grayson, with a bit of Wayne thrown in. It's been said by Bruce that Drake will "one day be an even better detective than I could ever dream of being". Drake's not Grayson, he does occasionally mouth off to Wayne but unlike Todd...he does listen to him.

Plus, Drake's the only one that actually wore armored boots/pants, so that must count for something

I just finished Batman and Son by Grant Morrison. It would be a bit of a rip off of that comic but would be nice to tie in Ras' daughter and leave it a bit open for Batman to have a son later on that could generate more material. Granted I've only read the first issue, I felt it was a pretty good storyline.

Batman is on the run from the law.

Does he need a nutcase villain when he has law enforcement chasing him?

Well, it is Batman we're talking about here. The character is as much defined by the villains he faces as he is by his own personal quest.

If we buy into that than something like Year One, which had no specific antagonist (mafia and law enforcement were the antagonists) should be a bad Batman story instead of the watershed moment it was.

Kanluwen wrote:

With Jason Todd, it'd be a harder sell but it would also open the door for the Red Hood storyline, which was absurdly insanely awesome.

The batman red hood movie was a great animated feature.

GG

Nolan is only doing a trilogy (or so he says) so I doubt he is going to be worrying about laying groundwork for other films.

Batman on the run from the law?

You know what that means!

Ahtman wrote:Nolan is only doing a trilogy (or so he says) so I doubt he is going to be worrying about laying groundwork for other films.

I'm pretty sure Nolan's also the one who they tapped to do a "Justice League" movie in the future, so I reaaaaaaaaallly doubt he wouldn't pull a Marvel and lay the groundwork for that in "The Dark Knight Rises".

Kanluwen wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Nolan is only doing a trilogy (or so he says) so I doubt he is going to be worrying about laying groundwork for other films.

I'm pretty sure Nolan's also the one who they tapped to do a "Justice League" movie in the future, so I reaaaaaaaaallly doubt he wouldn't pull a Marvel and lay the groundwork for that in "The Dark Knight Rises".

Well begin to doubt, true believer. This Batman universe has nothing to do with the rest of the DC universe. There will be no references to other Super heroes or villains. Nolan was given the executive producer chair for the next Superman movie (not Justice League), which will be unconnected to his Batman trilogy. He has stated on multiple occasions that his world has no super powered people such as Superman or Green Lantern and will not be putting them in it. After his trilogy I would not be surprised if the next person to take over the franchise has some standing orders to try and incorporate Batman into a WB/DC movie universe, but it isn't happening here. Just read the interviews with the man. He isn't esoteric about these things.

Ahtman wrote:If we buy into that than something like Year One, which had no specific antagonist (mafia and law enforcement were the antagonists) should be a bad Batman story instead of the watershed moment it was.

Yes, but that was an origin story as opposed to a mainstream thing. Also, Catwoman was in that.

At best she was a love interest more than a villain in Year One.

Joel Schumacher, Batman's biggest villain.

Ahtman wrote:At best she was a love interest more than a villain in Year One.

Point, but you see where I'm coming from? Catwoman is still part of the Rogue's Gallery, and therefore my point does have some validity. I'm not saying that any Batman comic/film without a member of his club of villains in it is bad, far from it, it's just that they are one of the things that make the character of Bats so iconic.

Kanluwen wrote:Which, frankly, is kinda stupid. You can only rely on Batman for so much.

It doesn't have to be Dick Grayson's Robin, starting off as a little kid until he goes to college then later becomes Nightwing.

It could very easily be a Tim Drake or Jason Todd styled Robin.

I think in this telling of Batman Wayne's personal drive is very much his own kind of lunacy that mirrors the villains he chases. When other people became involved, such as the other vigilantes, it ended very badly.

In this telling of Batman he really can only rely on himself. Giving him a young streetfighter friend would bugger that up entirely.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Batman is on the run from the law.

Does he need a nutcase villain when he has law enforcement chasing him?

Which is why people were saying the Riddler, recast as a private eye or as a policeman, setting up crimes and leaving clues to trap the Batman was so likely a villain.

So not Riddler, Joker, Mr Freeze, Two Face, Penguin or Catwoman -_-

Are there any villains left? I mean it can't be Clayface, Bane or Poison Ivy since Meta-Humans don't exist in the films. Scarecrow's not really in the big leagues in the Nolan-verse. Harley Quinn would be a bad rip off. Mad Hatter and Ventriloquist are just plain dumb. Ra's al Ghul's dead. Red Hood doesn't exist since Robin doesn't

Deadshot was already in Gotham Knights but is possible though he would be good enough for the title villain, same problem with Mr. Zsasz, though his cameo was in Batman Begins if I remember right. Talia Al Ghul is possible, but IMO wouldn't really fit that well in.

Hush, Black Mask and Hugo Strange are all possible and very good antagonists (I know Hush would usually need Clayface and Robin, but it could be easy enough to edit his past to fit in the Nolan-verse)

I think Nolan actually said no traditional villains, which would honestly be a shame as while Batman is badass, he has the best villains gallery in the entire of DC and quite possibly the entire of Superhero based comics.

Millar said he knew who the Batman 3 villain was, that he knew they were filming a big scene outside of Gotham, and this villain was one of his favorites as a boy

Now I don't know about everyone else, but am I the only one thinking this could be a non-Batman villain? Now this may only be a cameo or something and it's not the best veracity so don't hold me to this

Killer Croc has a rather large chance, so my money is on Killer Croc, Black Mask or Hush, though I wish it'd be Riddler and I've always been interested in the idea of a villain along the lines of Lex Luthor making some form of appearance in the Nolan-verse as he seems the type that would certainly fit

Killer Croc may make an appearance, or, god forbid, Solomon Grundy, if they are going to a swamp.

From AV Club:

Christopher Nolan has confirmed that his third Batman film will be called The Dark Knight Rises. As the director hints in this typically careful interview with the L.A. Times, this may be significant for reasons besides maintaining the darkly dark tone of his last film: Nolan has said that the title The Dark Knight was just as much a reference to Harvey Dent, and again he confirms that this film will use “many of the same characters as we have all along”

Solomon Grundy, if re-imagined properly, could be a really creepy and entertaining villain.