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I remember when something like this happened to me. Thankfully, I had some experience (Yellow belt in Tae Kwon Do), but he throws some mean spinning kicks (3rd degree black belt). Now that I'm a 2nd degree Black belt, the tables have almost turned. Here's what I would do:

Go to Texas and train with the Whippy Stick master. I nearly fell on my knees after getting assaulted by one of those damned things!

I seems that people here are hung up on this idea of "respect". In some circles, i.e. not highschool, respect is to be earned not just given out to everybody in the same club as you.

I familiar enough with the stance in Judo to know that your opponent should NOT have been able to bring your head down or his knee, because your back should have been straight, or his knee up high enough, past your guard, to hit you in the face with it. You didn't mention any broken bones or hospital visits so I imagine he was holding back and only bruised your ego. Ignoring the traditions of a style is one thing and the guy is jerk just for that but in both Wresteling and Muay Thai I learned to stop making stupid mistakes from jerks doing things like this to me.

My verdict this guy is a jerk but he is in a way showing you what you are doing wrong. He was probably hung up on what he saw in your fist match and wanted to make sure you don't shrug off the leason.

As a note when our stance was off in Wresteling our coach would give us a little 'nudge' in the back of the leg with a hockey stick, so don't think that teaching leasons like this is something nobody does.

Buy a gun.

You'll never have to do karate again.

You thought wrong!!!



I actually think all those belts are probably not alway healthy for the sport. I mean, some other martial arts have no belts/grades at all and they seem to do fine. I remember when back in Germany, a bluebelt would look condescendingly on my puny green belt...and was then told that is Kata would probably be a D in school, while me and the other greenbelts were closer to an AB. So, what I mean is, having a belt can actually be misleading, because your real skills are not magically connected to the belt.

Witzkatz, I agree that belts can be misleading, but it all depends on the testing.

If testing for the next belt is a new challenge every time, there will be a huge different between belts.

If tests are more lax, then the belts will have little difference and will certainly be misleading.

It also depends if you had a backround in a different martial arts. I know a guy in my school that had different karate backrounds, and so when he started and was a white-belt, he wasn't at all shabby.

I also know some horrible-black belts. I think belts are healthy for the sport as they show rank and help senseis train you, but to help discern between them, there should be very set different levels of skill associated with them.

BearersOfSalvation wrote:

Albatross wrote:I kind of hope you're serious here. I love macho nerds.

My all-time favourite though has to be Golden Eyed Scout claiming to be (and I quote) 'pretty handy in a knife-fight'.

Yeah, Internet Tough Guy syndrome is pretty amusing. I know a few people IRL who actually run (or ran) Dojos, full-on black belts who can kick ass, and all of them are extremely polite and soft-spoken, this whole 'DONT U DARE SPEAK TO A HIGHER BELT SCRUB' bit would be completely foreign to them. Generally the more someone needs to brag, they less good they are at what they brag about, especially on message boards.

Yeah, it's strange one that. I won't claim to be experienced in martial arts or anything - that said, I did about 6mths of MMA training (twice a week; first day was Vale Tudo, second was straight BJJ) when I lived in Spain, and I was lucky enough to be able to spar with the Spanish kickboxing champion. The fething CHAMPION. He was a really lovely bloke, totally unassuming, friendly, modest, very helpful - I would never of guessed at his status within the sport had I not seen his picture up on one of the walls holding a belt up. Oh, that and the fact that he pretty much turned me into a small origami boat on the mat. He moved like a snake. It was ridiculous.

You tend to find that people at the top of their game are like that - I met Gordon Ramsay once and he couldn't have been more courteous.

ComputerGeek01 wrote:I seems that people here are hung up on this idea of "respect". In some circles, i.e. not highschool, respect is to be earned not just given out to everybody in the same club as you.

I familiar enough with the stance in Judo to know that your opponent should NOT have been able to bring your head down or his knee, because your back should have been straight, or his knee up high enough, past your guard, to hit you in the face with it. You didn't mention any broken bones or hospital visits so I imagine he was holding back and only bruised your ego. Ignoring the traditions of a style is one thing and the guy is jerk just for that but in both Wresteling and Muay Thai I learned to stop making stupid mistakes from jerks doing things like this to me.

My verdict this guy is a jerk but he is in a way showing you what you are doing wrong. He was probably hung up on what he saw in your fist match and wanted to make sure you don't shrug off the leason.

As a note when our stance was off in Wresteling our coach would give us a little 'nudge' in the back of the leg with a hockey stick, so don't think that teaching leasons like this is something nobody does.

Nice
glad you aren't my sensei
Respect for another person does not need to be earned.
It is a default setting.
If I understand the etiquette and rules of Judo correctly, the opponent was in breach of both.
I also assumed that the ethical stance of judo was not about macho posturing.
There is still such a thing as sportsmanship which seems lacking.

Albatross wrote:

BearersOfSalvation wrote:

Albatross wrote:I kind of hope you're serious here. I love macho nerds.

My all-time favourite though has to be Golden Eyed Scout claiming to be (and I quote) 'pretty handy in a knife-fight'.

Yeah, Internet Tough Guy syndrome is pretty amusing. I know a few people IRL who actually run (or ran) Dojos, full-on black belts who can kick ass, and all of them are extremely polite and soft-spoken, this whole 'DONT U DARE SPEAK TO A HIGHER BELT SCRUB' bit would be completely foreign to them. Generally the more someone needs to brag, they less good they are at what they brag about, especially on message boards.

Yeah, it's strange one that. I won't claim to be experienced in martial arts or anything - that said, I did about 6mths of MMA training (twice a week; first day was Vale Tudo, second was straight BJJ) when I lived in Spain, and I was lucky enough to be able to spar with the Spanish kickboxing champion. The fething CHAMPION. He was a really lovely bloke, totally unassuming, friendly, modest, very helpful - I would never of guessed at his status within the sport had I not seen his picture up on one of the walls holding a belt up. Oh, that and the fact that he pretty much turned me into a small origami boat on the mat. He moved like a snake. It was ridiculous.

You tend to find that people at the top of their game are like that - I met Gordon Ramsay once and he couldn't have been more courteous.

Not necessarily. Mike Tyson liked to eat people. Underneath those tattoos I think you'd find a Khorne symbol there...

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:I hope you learned your lesson. A higher grade is not obliged to train with you, nor treat you as an equal. Society is a different place to the dojo.

Spar with your own grade and don't be so cocky.

I kind of hope you're serious here. I love macho nerds.

My all-time favourite though has to be Golden Eyed Scout claiming to be (and I quote) 'pretty handy in a knife-fight'.

Yeah, that's deliberately funny if you put it that way, but I'm not trying to pull a tough-guy here. If I'm mistaken and you're comparing GES to the OP I don't get it.

No one is obliged to spar anyone anywhere. That's it. Maybe brown belt was cocky too. Yeah, I can see he broke rules. I'm not denying that he was a disrespectful arsehole. A little bit of disrespect is nothing one can't shrug off, but if you step up and basically ask to be punched in the face, don't be surprised. If someone doesn't want to spar with you, then chances are they're holding back for a reason. OP found out the reason.

I think there's a little more gak going on between the OP and the offender than he's letting on.

There is nothing going on between us. He is a knew transfer from further north and has been in the club for just over 3 months. I never had a problem with him before and he always acted normal when we sparred, he even done well in his tournament recently (I think he placed 4th)

The other day he just acted like a completely different person. He agreed to be my final opponent weeks before and we practised with each other for it.
And I did not find out why he did not want to spar with me. There is no way he watched me for months make some mistakes sometimes and all of a sudden have a premonition that I'm not human enough to deserve a little respect on my big day.

If he did not want to spar with me properly he could of easily pulled me off to the side or talked to the coach and the coach would of taken his place, but he decided to be a bitch about it.

Clearly whippy sticks are called for now more than ever.
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Or a flamethrower.

I vote flamethrower, but no-one never listens to me...

Anyways, here's a plan:

1. Take a picture of him.

2. Wait ten years to become a sensei or instructor.

3. Buy as many whippy sticks (or flamethrowers) as you can carry.

4. Indoctrinate all the midgets (children) that THAT PICTURE IS THE ENEMY!!!

5. Internet stalk your victim.

6. Arm your loyal munchkins with said whippy sticks (and flamethrowers) and 'sic' them on him!

7. As he lies bleeding in the dirt, curb stomp his head after sayin *insert witty comment here*.

8. Your revenge is complete. Have a nice day!

Sounds like we need more than whippy sticks. It's time to take out "the Corrector."

It's four Land Raiders filled with sand on the end of a chain. Works like a charm.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Sounds like we need more than whippy sticks. It's time to take out "the Corrector."

It's four Land Raiders filled with sand on the end of a chain. Works like a charm.

...cement bricks would be cheaper, wouldn't they?

Yes, but not as 40k like...

In terms of weponry, I say that munchkins armed with whippy sticks takes the cake (see above) every time.

Another good alternative is to take as many metal minis and monoliths as you can, stick whippy sticks in them, atie together with chain and use as a mace as opposed to a whip.

MasterDRD wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Sounds like we need more than whippy sticks. It's time to take out "the Corrector."

It's four Land Raiders filled with sand on the end of a chain. Works like a charm.

...cement bricks would be cheaper, wouldn't they?

Ah, but being beat upside the head with four landraiders on chains is more bada**.

ITT I'm an ITG for speaking my mind. DILLIGAF?

My apologies to the OP if he's offended. My understanding if you grew up in an environment where respect is automatic. I'm not a disrespectful person and I'd never do what the offender in this case has done, but you know what? That's irrelevant. I didn't learn this attitude from a dojo.
I learned IRL that the people that are going to hit you don't bow, and that was long before I practised anything.

That's the best lesson you can learn. Respect and discipline are great - you earn one and learn the other. The most important thing to take out of all this is avoid conflict. Only cocky arseholes will think any less of you for it. I never meant to belittle the OP, but I'll repeat, I sure hope he learned something.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:ITT I'm an ITG for speaking my mind. DILLIGAF?

My apologies to the OP if he's offended. My understanding if you grew up in an environment where respect is automatic. I'm not a disrespectful person and I'd never do what the offender in this case has done, but you know what? That's irrelevant. I didn't learn this attitude from a dojo.
I learned IRL that the people that are going to hit you don't bow, and that was long before I practised anything.

That's the best lesson you can learn. Respect and discipline are great - you earn one and learn the other. The most important thing to take out of all this is avoid conflict. Only cocky arseholes will think any less of you for it. I never meant to belittle the OP, but I'll repeat, I sure hope he learned something.

He learned that being a higher belt doesn't keep you from being a dick.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:ITT I'm an ITG for speaking my mind. DILLIGAF?

My apologies to the OP if he's offended. My understanding if you grew up in an environment where respect is automatic. I'm not a disrespectful person and I'd never do what the offender in this case has done, but you know what? That's irrelevant. I didn't learn this attitude from a dojo.
I learned IRL that the people that are going to hit you don't bow, and that was long before I practised anything.

That's the best lesson you can learn. Respect and discipline are great - you earn one and learn the other. The most important thing to take out of all this is avoid conflict. Only cocky arseholes will think any less of you for it. I never meant to belittle the OP, but I'll repeat, I sure hope he learned something.

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No offence taken I just like to settle things when some assumptions are made or there is lack of info. (you never know it could always come back to bite you and if you give off the wrong information it can go horribly)

And I learned 2 things on that day. 1 Do NOT wear tight boxers they can cause friction burns when thrown hard. 2: Don't be so offguard.

Never wear tight boxers any day- and never cross your legs when wearing them... (OUCH!)

Frazzleds right, just casue someones higher up in the world doesn't mean that they're better than you. I mean look at... er... well... aha! Brittney Spears! That's one!

Seriously, though, make sure he doesn't survive doing it again...

As my good friend Bane would say:

BREAK HIM.
Well, not literally, that could get you arrested, but you know what I mean.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:As my good friend Bane would say:

BREAK HIM.
Well, literally, that could get you arrested, but only if you get caught.

corrected your typo.