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MeanGreenStompa wrote:The Republicans take the House, they now block everything that Obama does.
(1)So, as I understand it, they cannot themselves legislate. So nothing gets done?
(2)The country remains in the economic mire, they did their heels in about making taxes like they were under Bush, the vast sums of the country's money used to prevent a full blown depression and the debts accrued to communist China under Bush continue to errode the ability of the nation to recover.
(3)So, are they going to try and impeach Obama? Is that a serious question even?
(4)Republicans, would you seriously... SERIOUSLY... vote for the Palin woman?
(1) Uh, no. Congress does all of the legislation. The President signs the bill into law. The way our congress works. The senate is still majority Democrat, and the House is majority republican. It's happened before and things worked out fine. Why would congress suddenly stop just because it swung from Majority Democrat to Majority Republican in the House?
(2) uh, Clinton did the same. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
(3) No. No one has said anything about impeachment. No congressman, senator, or governor ran on the platform of impeaching Obama.
(4) What does she have to do with anything? No congressman, senator, or governor ran on the platform of getting Palin anything.
This is America telling Congress that they won't be taxed to death. That we don't like socialism.
Although I answered you seriously, your tone and demeanor reeks of trolling, MeanGreenStompa.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:The Republicans take the House, they now block everything that Obama does.
(1)So, as I understand it, they cannot themselves legislate. So nothing gets done?
(2)The country remains in the economic mire, they did their heels in about making taxes like they were under Bush, the vast sums of the country's money used to prevent a full blown depression and the debts accrued to communist China under Bush continue to errode the ability of the nation to recover.
(3)So, are they going to try and impeach Obama? Is that a serious question even?
(4)Republicans, would you seriously... SERIOUSLY... vote for the Palin woman?
(1) Uh, no. Congress does all of the legislation. The President signs the bill into law. The way our congress works. The senate is still majority Democrat, and the House is majority republican. It's happened before and things worked out fine. Why would congress suddenly stop just because it swung from Majority Democrat to Majority Republican in the House?
(2) uh, Clinton did the same. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
(3) No. No one has said anything about impeachment. No congressman, senator, or governor ran on the platform of impeaching Obama.
(4) What does she have to do with anything? No congressman, senator, or governor ran on the platform of getting Palin anything.
This is America telling Congress that they won't be taxed to death. That we don't like socialism.
Although I answered you seriously, your tone and demeanor reeks of trolling, MeanGreenStompa.
Ah, but your post reeks of... CONSERVATIVE. Boom, headshot. (Obviously, MGS was posting mostly in jest. The subtext on 3 kinda gives that away...)
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:The Republicans take the House, they now block everything that Obama does.
(1)So, as I understand it, they cannot themselves legislate. So nothing gets done?
(2)The country remains in the economic mire, they did their heels in about making taxes like they were under Bush, the vast sums of the country's money used to prevent a full blown depression and the debts accrued to communist China under Bush continue to errode the ability of the nation to recover.
(3)So, are they going to try and impeach Obama? Is that a serious question even?
(4)Republicans, would you seriously... SERIOUSLY... vote for the Palin woman?
(1) Uh, no. Congress does all of the legislation. The President signs the bill into law. The way our congress works. The senate is still majority Democrat, and the House is majority republican. It's happened before and things worked out fine. Why would congress suddenly stop just because it swung from Majority Democrat to Majority Republican in the House?
Hmm, perhaps because soon to be speaker Boehner has said it would. I'm pretty sure the Republican party could not be more clear in their objectives for the next two years.... stop the Democrats from being able to do anything.
kronk wrote:(2) uh, Clinton did the same. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
Bwah?
kronk wrote:(3) No. No one has said anything about impeachment. No congressman, senator, or governor ran on the platform of impeaching Obama.
True, but they did suggest armed insurrection (Angle); have ties to militia movements (Miller)
kronk wrote:(4) What does she have to do with anything? No congressman, senator, or governor ran on the platform of getting Palin anything.
This is America telling Congress that they won't be taxed to death. That we don't like socialism.
And this is the typical Fox fed response. 98% of Americans have experienced the lowest taxes in 60 years. The richest 2% have not.
And I seriously doubt you've spoken to a actual Socialist, or even understand Socialism, to make that suggestion. It's statements like yours that put you square in the Death Panel, Birther, OMG the sky is falling camp.
-Yad
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kronk I like how you used my post as an example of ad hominem argument when I was OBVIOUSLY joking and not being serious by any stretch of the imagination. Similarly, your first example was leading up to Yad's actual argument and was not the argument in and of itself. Your 2nd example is valid, but remember who used ad hominem first.
Therefore, your post is invalid.
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ChrisWWII wrote:Yad: You have to understand that you really can't say that just since the Dems were in power during a period of time when the economy was growing they're responsible so their policies worked. That's like saying that Hoover was solely responsible for the Great Depression just since he was the one in power at the time of the crash. Additonally, you'll notice that almost every piece of political rhetoric in our government at this point IS rehash. The Dems have no more real new ideas than the GOP...it's just this time they managed to ride the wave of popularity in long enough to pass a health care bill through. Republican views on stimulating the economy will remain as they have had for a long time. Fiscal conservatism, lower taxes, more freedom to corporations and individuals will lead to the market slowly beginning to climb upward again.
Not to mention ALL politicians primarily care about their donors, who just happen to be very wealthy. It's not just the Republicans.
Do you mean to suggest then that for the 8-10 years of Republican control that crash of 2008 and the subsequent housing burst was not shaped, in large part, by GOP policies and corporate malfeasance? And that the Stimulus plan, while admittedly much smaller than it should have been, did not help the economy and prevent another Great Depression? And that the economic growth, while not nearly as strong as it should be (see previous) was not shaped by Dem policies? I guess I just don't understand how you can look at the last 12 years and think that the GOP knows how to govern a global economy.
What's really striking about your statement is that the GOP will remain as they have with regards to Fiscal Conservatism. Really? Again, you can make that statement in light of what they did during the Bush administration? The 'market' is already slowly climbing upward, and I shudder to think of what you mean by 'more freedom' to corporations. That is a text book example of cognitive dissonance if I've ever read one.
And yes, all politicians care about their donors. But again you're either missing or ignoring the direct consequences we all experienced as a result of the Citizens United ruling. Karl Rove, Dick Armey, and the Chamber of Commerce basically bankrolled the entire GOP. If you think that there will be any kind of campaign finance reform in the next two years you can kiss that idea goodbye.
Personally, I think a lot of Dems deserved to lose. I won't shed a tear for any of the 23 or so Blue Dogs that lost. I'm especially happy that Blanche Lincoln got handed a pink slip.
-Yad
How is the economy growing,exactly? The US unemployment rate was 5.4% in January of '08 when Obama took office and was at 9.2% as of September.
For another,the Housing Market crash was primarily brought about by idiots who bought more house that they could afford. They were able to do so because of easily available credit,which goes all the way back to Jimmy Carter's days in office. The Democrats have always fought for easier access to credit. In fact,W. and John McCain were fighting for an oversight commission on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as far back as '03 fearing the bottom would drop out,and the Democrats fought them tooth and nail. Not coincidentally,Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac gave Obama more campaign contributions($126,349) than any other politician from 1989-2008 except Christopher Dodd,and Obama wasn't elected as a US senator until 2004.
For another,the Housing Market crash was primarily brought about by idiots who bought more house that they could afford. They were able to do so because of easily available credit,which goes all the way back to Jimmy Carter's days in office. The Democrats have always fought for easier access to credit. In fact,W. and John McCain were fighting for an oversight commission on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as far back as '03 fearing the bottom would drop out,and the Democrats fought them tooth and nail. Not coincidentally,Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac gave Obama more campaign contributions($126,349) than any other politician from 1989-2008 except Christopher Dodd,and Obama wasn't elected as a US senator until 2004.
Please see this post as 100% accurate. Good stuff above that you wont hear in the media....
The problem is that the media here in the US and primarily the world is full of Liberal bias, who dont report on anything that would damage a liberal person. All they do is say "Republicans are evil!" and assum that we cant go to the net and check out anything.
All I see is posts that say Obama wants to work with Republicans, but just 2 weeks ago he went on Univision (a spanish only network) and told "Latinos" that they have to go out and vote so they can "Punish" their enemies.
70% of Americans dont want "Obamacare" but do the Dems listen? Nope, they push legislation 2000 pages long that no one read, through the House and Senate without so much as a reach-around. Nancy Pelosi is famously quoted as saying: "We have to pass this bill so we can find out what is in it." Really, this is what you think is a good idea?
Really, when has any US president call the "minority" party "ENEMIES?" The Democrats now are simply whining about how they lost, even here it is so... so I have a proposal for all you whining liberal d-bags.
Hank Johnson, Dem house member recently said he was afraid that Guam would "Flip" over if we put too many people on it. This is a member of the Political Elite?
(...I can't believe that the Admiral kept his composure...)
Christine O'Donnell is an backwater idiot because she says you shouldn't Masturbate? She was following her religious beliefs, Backwater (and it is, I dont disagree she's an idiot) she was lambasted in the media... but did anyone see the above video or any coverage on CNN? Nope!
Knock the sand out of your vah-geenas and elect someone who isn't a bat-gak crazy liberal cornholing idiot...
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Liberal has to be one of the most misused words in current american political discourse.
How is someone looking for more state control over healthcare (through regulation and so on) liberal? What overtly socially liberal policies does Obama even have?
kronk wrote:
And this is the typical Fox fed response
Assuming that was intended to impugn the validity of the argument at hand, it was indeed an invalid use of ad hominem. Remember, despite what the internet says, it isn't always invalid
kronk wrote:
Education is scary isn't it.
Nope, not ad hominem. That phrase does not link the validity of an argument to a characteristic of the arguer.
kronk wrote:
Ah, but your post reeks of... CONSERVATIVE. Boom, headshot.
Ad hominem, but not an invalid use of it. He is calling bias into question here, which is legitimate in a political conversation.
kronk wrote:
But so long as it's your side, no need to call it out, right?
Well, you should first start by actually understanding what ad hominem is, then go from there.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, this:
kronk wrote:Ah, freshman political science class is rearing it's ugly head, hmm Yad?
Is an invalid use of ad hominem.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
When you're done fluffing Dogma, be sure to wipe your chin, MasterORD.
That was a wonderful, yet biased, breakdown dogma. Unfortunately, it's also wrong. But hey, conservative bashing is your shtick and to be expected.
Back to MGS, the world isn't going to end because republicans have gained ground this elections. Don't get your knickers in a twist. Just go back to reading about the latest royals scandal or some house of lord's sexcapades and we'll worry about our own politics over here.
I like the personal attack there. Clearly shows off your great debating skills. But then, you can't expect any sort of intelligent argument from a Conservative...
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
