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If it's an assassin, how about it's got a special rule for it's marked target saying that he may always target that (HQ/IC) model individually, ignoring cover, but targets everyone else normally? Assassin isn't synonymous with serial killer, after all...

I'm still not comfortable with CW:Eldar having assassins, feels more like they take care of it by manipulating the one they want killed into dying on his own, or by simply burning his mind out.

This is a really cool idea, but I feel it would work better both mechanics-wise and fluff-wise if it were a DE option, not Eldar. Things like Shadow fields and clone fields would be good for him, and considering that Kheradruakh the Decapitator is kind of like this alrleady, it would fit well.

Mahtamori wrote:If it's an assassin, how about it's got a special rule for it's marked target saying that he may always target that (HQ/IC) model individually, ignoring cover, but targets everyone else normally? Assassin isn't synonymous with serial killer, after all...

Read the thread, that's my idea

On the vehicle issue: Perhaps the assassin is equipped with more than one type of ammo and can fire whichever, one is stronger, more penetrative, but less accurate, so used for taking out vehicles. The other is not as powerful or penetrative, but is much more accurate, so it's better for taking out non-vehicle units.

Foeego the 1 man rule,make them up to 5,remember,its an elites choice,they should get acsess to any wargear in the eldar aresnal .

FUUUUDGE! wrote:Foeego the 1 man rule,make them up to 5,remember,its an elites choice,they should get acsess to any wargear in the eldar aresnal .

Up to five in a squad could potentially make this a completely overpowered unit.

Mattieau wrote:

FUUUUDGE! wrote:Foeego the 1 man rule,make them up to 5,remember,its an elites choice,they should get acsess to any wargear in the eldar aresnal .

Up to five in a squad could potentially make this a completely overpowered unit.

Absolutely true, 5 of this unit on the board, even working independently would be OP it would make your opponent cry. You could take out a 5 man squad without even having to worry about the dice rolls. Not to mention you would be cutting up his elite choices like a hot knife through butter with that many on the table.

The unit is just to beastly with damage to operate at a larger capacity, not only that, the unit is specialized, why would he want to take generic gear when his is so much better and better suited to his job?

Besides why would an assassin work with a team? He's an assassin, typically they work alone.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers~

Yeah. Like i said earlier, I'd rather have an underpowered unit that would be difficult to play, than an overpowered unit and never be allowed to use it.

Mattieau wrote:Should they still function completely independently of each other?

I think so. Kind of like Tau sniper teams.

vishra wrote:This is a really cool idea, but I feel it would work better both mechanics-wise and fluff-wise if it were a DE option, not Eldar. Things like Shadow fields and clone fields would be good for him, and considering that Kheradruakh the Decapitator is kind of like this alrleady, it would fit well.

I would make it a dark eldar option, and from feedback it appears that would have been the smarter choice, but i'm a CW: Eldar player and know very little about dark eldar.

Heh, I'm sure we could come up with a DE version, although I'm to familiar with the DE especially their codex and options. But I think vishra has a point in that it could easily cross over into the DE world as well.

They have made one its called the Harlequin solitaire! Find the old rules for him in citadel journal or online.

col. krazy kenny wrote:They have made one its called the Harlequin solitaire! Find the old rules for him in citadel journal or online.

And are they nearly as effective as we'd like him to be as an assassin?

Yes and then some.makes the eversor look like a sissy.he can have upto 10 cc attacks with instant death.Mine killed abadon.blink abilty which give him ability to teleport aruond and assasinate.plus Harlequin kiss.

I think that the idea is grate but i think it needs to be a little more custimizable. Like the armor save could be razed by one for 10pts but you loose your fleet. or you can get a 5+ invaunrable sace for 15pts. Wat I'm saying is that you should be ale to max them out.

col. krazy kenny wrote:Yes and then some.makes the eversor look like a sissy.he can have upto 10 cc attacks with instant death.Mine killed abadon.blink abilty which give him ability to teleport aruond and assasinate.plus Harlequin kiss.

Holy crap, I found the rules, I'll post them here with this, but wow....he is OP as hell. >_< VERY strong character.

Eldar Solitaire:

Solitaire: 300pts - WS10 - BS7 - S3 - T3 - W3 - I9 - A4 - Ld10 - Sv2++

Type: Beast Unit Type & Jump Infantry/Jet-pack Unit (see Costume of the Solitaire below)

Weapons: Neural Shredder, Costume of the Solitaire, Flip Belt (ignore terrain), Harlequin's Kiss, Plasma Grenades, Haywire Grenades

Options: May exchange the Neural Shredder for Shuriken Pistol, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Cannon, Fusion Pistol, Fusion Gun, Firepike, Death Spinner or Spinneret Rifle for free. May exchange the Harlequin's Kiss for an Anointed Weapon (power weapon, wounds Daemons on 4+), a Null Rod (power weapon, no Psychic abilities work against the bearer), a Dire Sword, or an Executioner for free. May take Forearm Blades (+1 Attack). All options must be modded.

Special Rules:

Furious Charge, Hit & Run, Eternal Warrior, Stubborn, Infiltrate, Scout

Soulless (Culexus Assassin): All units within 12" are at Leadership 7 unless normally lower.
Neural Shredder (Callidus Assassin): Range: Template, S:X, AP1, Assault 1. Strength is 8, but use opponent's Leadership instead of Toughness.
Costume of the Solitaire: The Solitaire often appears as little more than smoke and will often be revealed to be meters away from where he was thought to be. The costume he wears incorporates highly sophisticated holographic and teleportation technology from the height of the Eldar civilization. The Solitaire has a 2+ invulnerable save and Jetpack. He may choose whether to move as a Beast or as a Jetpack during any phase.
Psychic Bolts: Any Shuriken or monofilament weapon carried by the Solitaire ignores invulnerable saves. Cover saves may be taken as normal. A Harlequin's Kiss is a monofilament weapon.
Dance Macabre: In close combat the Solitaire performs one of three dances. The Dance of Death causes all successful hits to automatically would while The Misdirection grants the Solitaire +2D6 attacks. Against vehicles the Solitaire may dance Vaul's Trick, which gives him one attack with a Haywire Grenade per normal attack instead of the usual single grenade attack. Choose which dance to perform at the start of each close combat phase.
She Who Thirsts: The Solitaire dances on the edge of oblivion, for if he falters for one instant, his soul is forfeit. Slaanesh, the Great Enemy, is ever vigilant and will send a powerful servant to collect the prize. When the Solitaire is killed, replace the model with a Keeper of Secrets (from Codex: Chaos Daemons) under the control of the opponent for the rest of the game. At the start of the Eldar player's next movement phase the Solitaire is re-deployed via Deep Strike onto the battlefield with all wounds restored. The Solitaire may move as normal after arriving. This can happen as long as there are models available for new Keepers of Secrets. The death was a trick played on the Prince of Chaos by the Solitaire, the eternal tormentor, which frustrates the daemon god even more.

He's not the sniper we were looking for, but he's definitely the Eldar Assassin that takes the fight to the enemy and really annoys your opponent, but he's a tad bit in your face and can seemingly be stealthy and fast. I kind of wish he was still in the Codex.

Oh well, C&C on this bad boy.

(ps. If I can't post this, let me know. But it's no longer in the game and in the Codex, so I'm assuming it falls under the common knowledge rule. But like I said, if I'm wrong let me know. Thanks)

Cheers~

Wow that is insane. I wonder if my friends would let me field it. I doubt it. But at 300 points....

Well I have some sad news. This version of the Eldar Solitaire is a fan created design.

He is powerful and fragile and expensive, I would add the new 0-1 rule to his character stat sheet.

However, I managed to find the Harlequin Codex, however it was never released as an actual codex either just a serious of magazine articles...so to be honest neither are official so you could theoretically user either version, if you want me to post the other one I can.

Is it more or less powerful than the other one?

In raw power he is more powerful, 2++ and WS10. but the points sort of balance it out. I would personally prefer the actual sniper to this guy, just from a fluff point of view.

The one in the unofficial codex doesn't have as many special rules and he isn't as powerful.

The one I currently have listed for the Harlequin Solitaire is a remake of this one with added stats/special rules and gear.

He has the same basic setup with added features and rules to bring him into the 5th edition rule set and on-par with current players.

The Solitaire is actually better fluff wise then the sniper to be honest. Due to the fact that the Solitaire is actually based on an actual Eldar model and idea. Where the Sniper falls a little more inline with Dark Eldar, I mean there are Rangers yes, but they're more like better marksmen groups then sniper teams. (imo)

Maybe swap the sniper to being like harlequins in that both Dark Eldar and Eldar can take it? That or just dark eldar.

Uhm...I don't know much about DE, to be honest. >_<

But the Harly is amazing with those stats and bonuses, ask your friend if he'd play against with that point value, does make him very costly, but he could be very fun to play. heh

Here you go here's the unofficial Harlequin Codex I found from the White Dwarfs. You can look him up in his original form before the modifications that I had posted before. Enjoy~

By the way this isn't an actual codex, just exert pages from the White Dwarfs they were printed in. I hope this isn't violating the ToS, if it is, tell me and I'll take it down.

Just thought i would let you guys know.Now the hard part finding one.They were only made back in the dinasaur days of GW.Diffently wish gw would have keep them as they are Eldar Daemon Hunters!instead of the crap they are now.Small elite strike force.

col. krazy kenny wrote:Just thought i would let you guys know.Now the hard part finding one.They were only made back in the dinasaur days of GW.Diffently wish gw would have keep them as they are Eldar Daemon Hunters!instead of the crap they are now.Small elite strike force.

This is true, trying to find an original model will be very tough. But to be honest if I was going to make one of these characters for fun play, I don't think I'd want to use an original model, I think I'd want to bring him up to date and make a new model. That's just me though. I've seen images of the original model and it's so-so. As for their fluff and primary role, I couldn't agree more, I like that they specialize in killing Daemons. And to be honest, compared to their more docile rules in the Harlequin Codex, I actually do like the previous one I posted, I know he's a bit crazy, but he's fragile and can't take much high strength attacks, plus giving your opponent a Keeper of Secrets upon him dying and having him fool the Chaos God Slaanesh is just pretty cool to me. And seems to help balance him out along with his 300 pts price tag.

Oh well, to each his own right?

An Eldar Assassin! That would be so awesome!!! If there was a whole eldar army that was stealth based, now THAT would be something!

Just thought this might help. If you look at the rules for a sniper, it says 'Against vehicles, sniper weapons count as str 3, which, combined with with the rendering rule, represents their chances of hitting exposed crew, vision ports, fuel or ammo storage, etc.' This means your friend doesn't have to be so worried about the assassins sniper taking out his Land Raider. Also means you can keep it at str 9