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Who said anyone had to know? He's master of all the assassin temples (including Callidus, winkwink). Killing the Emperor would probably have to be a suicide run, I do admit. But I'm at least fairly sure it wouldn't be that difficult for the man in charge of killing to kill.

Whoa! I was just talking about killing other high lords. Killing The Emperor!? You don't want to mess with the Custodes. They are demi-primarchs with the power of invisibilty. Assassins are nad ass bu they ain't Custodes bad-ass.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Whoa! I was just talking about killing other high lords. Killing The Emperor!? You don't want to mess with the Custodes. They are demi-primarchs with the power of invisibilty. Assassins are nad ass bu they ain't Custodes bad-ass.

Custodes can't use invisibility, you're thinking of the invisibles from Horus Rising, pseudo custodes

KamikazeCanuck wrote: ...with the power of invisibilty.

I've never heard that before... that's interesting. Source?

And I'm not saying it would be done, or that anyone would want to do it. I'm saying it could possibly be done at great cost.
But that's OT I guess. Point is, Grand Master could feasibly kill one, some or all of the High Lords and replace them with his own operatives.

What?! are you guys serious. Yes, Custodes has invisibilty cloaks. Read tales of heresy.

@Emilcrane
If you recall Horus Rising was basically a pseudo-heresy with a pseudo-Emperor and pseudo-marines. The invisibles were pseudo-Custodes.

Source?

Blood Games. Excellent short story in Tales of Heresy. Stop what your doing right now and read it. Pretty sure its the only Custodes story on the block too.


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anon/rassilon wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote: ...with the power of invisibilty.

I've never heard that before... that's interesting. Source?

And I'm not saying it would be done, or that anyone would want to do it. I'm saying it could possibly be done at great cost.
But that's OT I guess. Point is, Grand Master could feasibly kill one, some or all of the High Lords and replace them with his own operatives.

he could......I guess. I'm sure each Lord's friends/staff/etc. would notice that they're not the same person after a while and/or immediately.

The custodes have a pretty wide range of equipment - 'concealment cloaks' are one of them, and are used in the story (I thought) to mask ones shape and size, and alter perceptions of you - I can remember if they extended to full invisibility, but they certainly might have.

Per the Custodes, there the only high lord that I can think of which the Astartes might pay any particular amount of heed to: which given the Astartes chapters independence of of the Imperium at large (they probably don't manufacture their own ships - but they certainly make their own equipment and ammunition. Or at least some do.)

perhaps giving them an indirect amount of power far greater the even being the Emperors guardians would allow. If they really have any exceptional amount of influence over the Astartes...

Carlovonsexron wrote:The custodes have a pretty wide range of equipment - 'concealment cloaks' are one of them, and are used in the story (I thought) to mask ones shape and size, and alter perceptions of you - I can remember if they extended to full invisibility, but they certainly might have.

Per the Custodes, there the only high lord that I can think of which the Astartes might pay any particular amount of heed to: which given the Astartes chapters independence of of the Imperium at large (they probably don't manufacture their own ships - but they certainly make their own equipment and ammunition. Or at least some do.)

perhaps giving them an indirect amount of power far greater the even being the Emperors guardians would allow. If they really have any exceptional amount of influence over the Astartes...

The cloak that made them appear more human was in the story but so was the full invisibilty ones. They called them falsehoods. The former is a new tech revealed in that story. Full invisibilty has been part of the Custodes repetoire long before Blood Games though.

I'm don't think Astartes think too much of Custodes in general. As far as they're concerned they're the ones out in the galaxy doing the fighting and dieing. Custodes have had one battle in the last 10,000 years. Apparently there has been the occasional Astartes high lord. An Imperial Fist I suspect.

Definitely the Fabricator general, the people at the astronomincon cant just shut it off, else everyone including them is screwed.

As for navigators? Pretty sure its not too hard to kidnap those guys and put a gun to their head ....

The Master of the Administratum is still more powerful than the head of the Ecclesiarchy. It was the former that allowed the latter to flourish as the official religion of the state. In addition, Vandire didnt start his reign of terror until he became both the Ecclesiarch and the Master of the Administratum, and in the end the only lord who wasnt disbanded and actually lead a counter attack was the Fabricator General. Just goes to show that the AdMech holds alot of power even when separated from the imperium's office structure.

kill dem stunties wrote:Definitely the Fabricator general, the people at the astronomincon cant just shut it off, else everyone including them is screwed.

As for navigators? Pretty sure its not too hard to kidnap those guys and put a gun to their head ....

I don't think so. They have pacts that provide bodyguards from many powerful organizations. Most famous of which may be the Space Wolves. Basically any faction that has ever travelled through the Warp owes them something.

I voted the navigators, cos without them long warp travel is impossible and the IoM would fall, even if mars split all ties with terra, they could still hold a rather large empire of mars all across the galaxy, as long as the navigators.

Within the council i would say that the high lords of terra, no matter how much power they wield, would probably fear the Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum the most. As if he wanted you dead, there wouldn't be an army in the IoM that could protect you.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The Master of the Administratum is still more powerful than the head of the Ecclesiarchy. It was the former that allowed the latter to flourish as the official religion of the state. In addition, Vandire didnt start his reign of terror until he became both the Ecclesiarch and the Master of the Administratum, and in the end the only lord who wasnt disbanded and actually lead a counter attack was the Fabricator General. Just goes to show that the AdMech holds alot of power even when separated from the imperium's office structure.

I wouldn't say The Master of the Administratum let the Ecclesiarchy flourish. The Lectitio Divinitatus became the most powerful movement in The Imperium post-heresy. They really could not stop it. In a way the Ecclesiarch forced himself onto the Council in a time of desperation.
Guilliman where were on this one!?


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btw, are you sure about that Fabricator-General counter-attack? I thought the counter-attack was mostly IG, SM headed by Thor.

After the dissolution of the High Lords of Terra by Vandire, the Fabricator General called his tech guards from mars to Terra and was joined by various SM chapters and the IG loyal to the Confederation of Light, making the Fabricator General the sole High Lord to actually participate in the battle against Vandire.

Ya, I lexicanumed it. Fitting as The Fabricator-General doesn't follow the ecclesiarchal religon and ironic because he helped install the new Ecclesiarch: Sebastian Thor.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Definitely the Fabricator general, the people at the astronomincon cant just shut it off, else everyone including them is screwed.

As for navigators? Pretty sure its not too hard to kidnap those guys and put a gun to their head ....

I don't think so. They have pacts that provide bodyguards from many powerful organizations. Most famous of which may be the Space Wolves. Basically any faction that has ever travelled through the Warp owes them something.

Thats hilarious ... bodyguards cant protect you p[erfectly, especially when the most powerful organization of humanity wants you.

Theres countless navigators currently on forgeworlds, admech ships etc, they have them in their hands already.

ALso if it came down to it they could just break tradition and start cloning navigators they already have, there ya go unlimited supply.

Admech > all other factions of the high lords by far.

I think it was actually stated somewhere that if the AdMech defected completely from the imperium, the whole IoM would be screwed overnight. If I can find a source I'll cite it.

kill dem stunties wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Definitely the Fabricator general, the people at the astronomincon cant just shut it off, else everyone including them is screwed.

As for navigators? Pretty sure its not too hard to kidnap those guys and put a gun to their head ....

I don't think so. They have pacts that provide bodyguards from many powerful organizations. Most famous of which may be the Space Wolves. Basically any faction that has ever travelled through the Warp owes them something.

Thats hilarious ... bodyguards cant protect you p[erfectly, especially when the most powerful organization of humanity wants you.

Theres countless navigators currently on forgeworlds, admech ships etc, they have them in their hands already.

ALso if it came down to it they could just break tradition and start cloning navigators they already have, there ya go unlimited supply.

Admech > all other factions of the high lords by far.

I think if that worked they would have done that a long time ago.


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Anyways, There's no doubt that the AdMecha is poweful and my avatar will give you a clue as to who I voted for but they themselves cannot be independant. The one thing they don't have is unlimited Manpower. The Galaxy is a dangerous place and they need the Imperial Guard as much as The Imperial Guard needs them.


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Anyways, where's the love for the The Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica? Not one vote!? All intersteller communication is done by Astropaths. They hold together The Imperium as much as The Astronomicon and Navigators probably more so.

The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum.

He can kill everyone else....

Congratulations Coa...
Threadromancy is not vool.

I just noticed....

Something I've learned since then: You know how Inquisitors are scary and badass and Assassins are scary and badass? Well there's Assassin-Inquisitors! http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ordo_Sicarius
They are scary and badass x2.

Holy s**t...
They look scary...

The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum could just kill anybody he wanted

He did...
Then he got shot in the face and his entire organisation re-structured with an entire Ordo of Inquisitors dedicated to watching them...

Oh, well that sucks. Why do Inquisitors always have to get involved?

Kravox wrote:The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum could just kill anybody he wanted

An Assassination requires a 2/3rds majority vote. Basically, don't piss off you fellow Lords!

It's kinda their thing...

The Assassinorium is pretty stable now. They don't just go around knocking off High Lords whenever they feel like it. That's what the Assassin-Inquisitors are for: Inquisiting (?) the Assassins.