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I would go with:
Chaplain Cassius(I field him in most of my lists)
5 DLC Termies
2 5-man Tac squads in Ass-can backs
Land Raider Crusader w/ MM and SB
Attack bike

995 points

You could also swap out the Attack bike for a 6th Termie, or any other 45 points worth of whatever.

This way you have 3 tanks that Orks will have some issues with(especially at this points level), 3 T-L Ass-cans, 2 hurricane bolters, the Tac squads are really just there to hold objectives, you have a MM for popping the DR Battle wagon; and the DLC termies are there to bully squads of surgical strike the Nobz.

This math is really not as simple as you are all making it out to be. There aren't 2 groups fighting- there are 4. You have to treat the Chaplain and the Warboss as individual units.

IIRC, Chaplains don't have EW- so 1 unsaved PK wound means the whole chaplain is gone.

On the other hand, any TH strike directed at the warboss loses its assumed potency of 2 wounds, since Str 8 will not instant death him.


Either way, I think most of the math supports the idea that engaging the Nobs in melee is at best a case of mutually assured destruction. Some terminators may walk away, but they will no longer be an effective unit.

Get a landraider. It doesn't matter which one, it will give the Ork player fits. Plus it will allow you to deliver a squad to an objective, assault or anywhere you need it. It is a mobile multimelta that can always fire, and another great weapon system.

Orks are wonderful when they are allowed to focus. If you can cause them to break their focus, then they are much easier to defeat. Much like their mob rule, ork units are much better in concert. You will need to break up their uniform front with something they have a hard time getting through- like say, an AV14 vehicle that can tank shock between one mob and the army at 12" a turn.

Thaylen wrote:The chaplain can't run down the orks in a sweeping advance if he is attached to the terminator squad. And if you break him off of the terminator squad to allow the sweeping advance, you give up the use of the chaplain's rerolls.

Indeed, brain fart on my behalf.

As for the math. This is just averages but it doesn't matter how you treat your ICs since no one really benefits from hitting ICs one can simply assume that all hits are resolved vs standard models. The one exception to thisis the warboss hitting the chappy but even that is a gamble

@tedurur

you failed to take into consideration that LCs reroll to wound. that's 9 unsaved LC wounds.

Grey Templar wrote:@tedurur

you failed to take into consideration that LCs reroll to wound. that's 9 unsaved LC wounds.

you failed to take cybork bodies into consideration so it's 6 unsaved wounds

perhaps, but you never mentioned that

btw I didn't mention it but I'm allied w/ fateweaver

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:btw I didn't mention it but I'm allied w/ fateweaver

Its ok, my libby just got null zone off

With orks, I find having tellion to pop a painboy/KFF mech to be useful. After/if he manages that, he can pick out the PK in the squads, and then allow your dreads to tie up the boys for the rest of the game.

I've done this twice, effectively spelling the end to two 30(now 29) boyz. It's high risk/high reward, and can wreck an ork player's plans.

Other than that, flamers and their varients are nice too. Though this has been mentioned...

yeah!!! keep termies flexible... mix DLC and TH/SS

AbaddonFidelis wrote:orks are a good instance where you dont want thunder hammers.

Against Boyz, no.

Against Nobz they're great.

The problem is that with armor saves and plentiful cover, getting two wounds on a nob will likely take about 4 turns. You shoot twice a turn hitting on two's with a reroll for a 6, and wound on fours. It will take about 8 shots to kill a Nob with tellion.

Yeah, I'd be more into shooting at them with Missile Launchers or Lascannons to be honest.

Monster Rain wrote:

AbaddonFidelis wrote:orks are a good instance where you dont want thunder hammers.

Against Boyz, no.

Against Nobz they're great.

th/ss is fine against boys but I think lightning claws definitely have a place here too. killing them before they swing is much better than taking a 3++ save .

I think that 5 hammers, 2 DLCs and Chaplain Cassius in a LRC has a pretty good shot against just about anything in the game.

One thing to keep in mind is that orks hate templates of any sort- but so do your termies, so be careful with vindicator shots. If your run them and the termies, I usually flank the LR with the vindis to give my opponnent a tougher choice. Works like a charm.