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Generally, the timetable you have proposed is correct IMHO.....

basically the way GW and Black Library has it headed is that humanity shrinks as Xenos and Chaos run rampant, some changes are made (although I think an integration of Tau society into Human society is pushing it) alliances will probably be made between humans, eldar, tau, and even orks.

Then the Emperor gets up off his lazy but one way or another and everey thing is good for humanity again.

One thing though, if/when the Emperor is reincarnated/reborn/revived, the remaining imperium isnt just gonna fall under him, no, the greed of man is a fallable thing so I imagine at most half of the remaining Imperium splitting, one loyal to the Emperor, one loyal to the Emperor.

Although I do agree with the very end. Most likely if the Emperor is reborn it will send a massive shockwave through the warp killing and injuring who knows what, possibly a few Chaos gods. Another great cursade will be launched and the space marine chapters and the guard will (not necessarily be remade) but rebuilt (I'm sure there'll be some reworkings but its impossible to tell what will change exactly) I doubt the Ecclesiarchy will exist for very long (as They'll probably be the ones who are rebelling, think another age of apsotasy, or plauge of unbelief)

All in all things will go back to the way they were right before the Horus heresy until the next great quake in galactic events comes along.

undivided wrote:IIRC, this the ranking of power amongst the Gods

1.T'zeentch - Knowledge and Power transcends Death.
2.Nurgle - Death and Decay supersede Violence.
3.Khorne - Violence and War overcome Hedonism.
4.Slaanesh - Hedonism and Lust are only done be sexual creatures.

Sounds logical to me, I forget where I read it.

Ok, Khorne is the god of war, blood, and skulls. WARhammer.
Khorne has traditionally been the top dog of the Chaos gods, followed by Tzeentch, Nurgle, and then Slaanesh.

I wouldn't be half surprised if they had the Emperor come back to life and then there is a massive schisim between true followers and Greedy Eccleasarchy members who arn't happy with the loss of their influence. similer to the Protestant Reformation.

the Forces of Chaos are disenheartened at his coming back to life and launch a reinvigorated attempt to crush the Impierium.

the Tyranids are, however, the biggest threat and the Emperor is forced to confront them.




that or GW could bring a Primarch back. Vulkan or Lemun Russ would be cool. they would be awsome to field on the Table top and wouldn't break the fluff because they are still just one.

Codex: SM gets Vulkan and the Puppies get Russ. as compensation they could put Deamon Primarchs in the CSM codex.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Ok, Khorne is the god of war, blood, and skulls. WARhammer.
Khorne has traditionally been the top dog of the Chaos gods, followed by Tzeentch, Nurgle, and then Slaanesh.

Is Khorne fuelled by violence in general or just senseless violence?

Khorne is the Chaos god of anger, violence, and hate. Every act of violence gives Khorne power, whether committed by his followers or by enemies.

This is from the lexicanum, and it doesn't list a specific source

Does the act of torturing someone to death please both Khorne and Slaanesh? I've heard torture please Slaanesh, but I do see that in any of the fluff I have access too.

Khorne cares not from where or how the blood flows, only that it does.

Grass4hopper wrote:

Khorne is the Chaos god of anger, violence, and hate. Every act of violence gives Khorne power, whether committed by his followers or by enemies.

This is from the lexicanum, and it doesn't list a specific source

Does the act of torturing someone to death please both Khorne and Slaanesh? I've heard torture please Slaanesh, but I do see that in any of the fluff I have access too.

Torture for interrogation or just beating the gak out of someone into a bloody pulp probably goes to Khorne.

Slaanesh is the god of excess and hedonism, so while you might get a kick out of torture it wouldn't be an act of Slaanesh unless you did it in a suitably hedonistic way (and let's not go there). Otherwise, anything that gave one pleasure (like killing people) would be an act for Slaanesh.

Emperors Faithful wrote

Torture for interrogation or just beating the gak out of someone into a bloody pulp probably goes to Khorne.

That makes sense, the intent of the act is what determines who it gives power to. So if it serves a purpose or is out of pure bloodlust it goes to Khorne.

Grass4hopper wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote

Torture for interrogation or just beating the gak out of someone into a bloody pulp probably goes to Khorne.

That makes sense, the intent of the act is what determines who it gives power to. So if it serves a purpose or is out of pure bloodlust it goes to Khorne.

Of course, if you get a sadistic pleasure out of it then I'm not sure who it goes to.

*ABADDON

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Actually now that I think about it I think the Imperium does have terraforming machines. In the SW codex it talks about how Lucas disables the Climatrope which is an ancient STC that regulates a planets climate at around temperate levels. I'm not sure if every planet could have acces to them but that sounds like a form of Terraforming to me so it's possible.

Also what was said about how the Tau will probably develop psychic powers in the future. That is VERY VERY VERY unlikely to happen. I get that GW has a tendency to contradict their own fluff and change things but that's one of the cornerstones of the Tau fluff.

Only recently (past couple of million years) has humanity developed such an abundance in psykers. Slowly psykers are taking up a greater portion of the population. It doesn't take a great leap in logic to suggest that the same may, in time, occur to Tau. After all, they are not blanks, they do register in the warp faintly.

Humanity has always had psykers, Tau have never had psykers. Humans are not Tau, human evolution is not Tau evolution. Saying something like this could happen to Tau because it happened to humans won't work. Tau registering in the Warp does not mean they will have psykers, Humans having a growing number of psykers does not mean that Tau will one day have their own psykers. The great leap of logic is GW may have created a faction in 40k that dosen't use psykers, they did it with the Necrons.

indeed, the vast majority of sentient races GW has created in the fluff are non-psychic. in most of those that have psychic potential it is a rarish trait.

then there is the very small portion of races that are mostly, if not completely, psychic to some degree.


Humans were originally a heavily psychic race(relativly speaking) with Millions of psykers while we were still primitives on earth. these were the Shamens. the Warp began to prey upon these Shamens who were continusly reincarnated amoung the human population. the Shamens got together and commited mass suicide. they then all reincarnated in one body and melded themselves together. this person bacame the Emperor.

being immortal, the Emperor didn't die(duh) and as a result, no more psykers were born to humanity for well over 20k years. psykers began to reappear during the Dark Age of Technology. the reason is unknown, but there is mention of Eldar souls being reborn as humans so they could explain the reappearence of Human Psykers.

the Shamen incarnation means that the Emperor could be reborn if he did die. naturally, it would cause the IoM to collapse temporarly while he was still growing up, but it means the Emperor's death isn't such a bad thing. that or the Emperor just goes around and kicks the Chaos Gods butts and decides to rule from the Warp.

the Emperor's primary goal was to allow humanity to have easy travel through the stars. plan A was to gain access to the Webway, Plan B could be "Screw the Webway, move over Chaos' 'Instead of building a boat to cross the lake lets drain the thing and walk accross"

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Actually now that I think about it I think the Imperium does have terraforming machines. In the SW codex it talks about how Lucas disables the Climatrope which is an ancient STC that regulates a planets climate at around temperate levels. I'm not sure if every planet could have acces to them but that sounds like a form of Terraforming to me so it's possible.

Also what was said about how the Tau will probably develop psychic powers in the future. That is VERY VERY VERY unlikely to happen. I get that GW has a tendency to contradict their own fluff and change things but that's one of the cornerstones of the Tau fluff.

Only recently (past couple of million years) has humanity developed such an abundance in psykers. Slowly psykers are taking up a greater portion of the population. It doesn't take a great leap in logic to suggest that the same may, in time, occur to Tau. After all, they are not blanks, they do register in the warp faintly.

Humanity has always had psykers, Tau have never had psykers. Humans are not Tau, human evolution is not Tau evolution. Saying something like this could happen to Tau because it happened to humans won't work. Tau registering in the Warp does not mean they will have psykers, Humans having a growing number of psykers does not mean that Tau will one day have their own psykers. The great leap of logic is GW may have created a faction in 40k that dosen't use psykers, they did it with the Necrons.

You claimed that the Tau never devolping psykers (and thus a greater presence in the warp) was a cornerstone of their fluff. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that. Tau are barely 2000 years old as a race, younger even than the humans were when the Emperor was 'formed' perse. It terribly unlikely that they're going to continue having no psykers whatsoever.

2 Things to consider with this, which was very well thought out and well written, thank you I enjoyed reading it.

1) It is rumoured that the Void Dragon, one of the most power C'Tan is resting on mars and worshipped by certain members of the machine cult, a very near threat to the Imperium.

2) The Chaos gods want mortals to worship them, on some levels they need mortals to have power, the nids are not mortals so to protect themselves wouldn't chaos daemons and gods fight the swarms?