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i will try better next time please note i tried to do my best with the information i had at my disposal

5. The Imperium would take back its worlds? from what? the Tyranids leave worlds as lifeless rocks they don't hold them, the Necrons drain the life essence from planets they inhabit turning them into barren desserts. The only planets that they could take back are those taken by Abbadon and if his crusade was able to take them chances are they're either Daemon Worlds or highly tainted and woulden't be worth taking.

doesnt the imperium have the technology to brealth life back into these worlds over a few centuries it is worth a shot

Scorpionov wrote:doesnt the imperium have the technology to brealth life back into these worlds over a few centuries it is worth a shot

I'm not sure if terraforming measures were lost after the Dark Age of Technology. However, if they did then I think that yes, life could be brought back to lifeless worlds.

Actually now that I think about it I think the Imperium does have terraforming machines. In the SW codex it talks about how Lucas disables the Climatrope which is an ancient STC that regulates a planets climate at around temperate levels. I'm not sure if every planet could have acces to them but that sounds like a form of Terraforming to me so it's possible.

Also what was said about how the Tau will probably develop psychic powers in the future. That is VERY VERY VERY unlikely to happen. I get that GW has a tendency to contradict their own fluff and change things but that's one of the cornerstones of the Tau fluff.

Ailaros wrote

it's missing the part where tyranid hit peak biomass.

The tyranid only expand as much as the resources they can gather. The larger the hive fleets get, the more they need overhead to maintain their systems. Eventually, they will eat so many planets that it costs the hive fleet more to eat another planet than the energy they gain in return from eating said planet.

Tyranid will go extinct on their own, without any help from anyone else. Of course, the fact that everybody who faces off against them always pours all of their energy into defeating them (they're even less popular than the imperium, as far as xenos are concerned), it's likely they'll get wiped out before they utterly eat everything.

Why hasn't this happened to the Nids already. They're not from this galaxy, but they haven't wiped themselves out yet. I can see the Fleets attacking each other as resource grow scarce, which would reduce their overall numbers. I can also see one of the fleets leaving to consume another galaxy, but I don't see them completely consuming themselves.

Just my viewpoint.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Actually now that I think about it I think the Imperium does have terraforming machines. In the SW codex it talks about how Lucas disables the Climatrope which is an ancient STC that regulates a planets climate at around temperate levels. I'm not sure if every planet could have acces to them but that sounds like a form of Terraforming to me so it's possible.

Also what was said about how the Tau will probably develop psychic powers in the future. That is VERY VERY VERY unlikely to happen. I get that GW has a tendency to contradict their own fluff and change things but that's one of the cornerstones of the Tau fluff.

Only recently (past couple of million years) has humanity developed such an abundance in psykers. Slowly psykers are taking up a greater portion of the population. It doesn't take a great leap in logic to suggest that the same may, in time, occur to Tau. After all, they are not blanks, they do register in the warp faintly.

Lets get it out of the bag right now that I like the Tau,

As I see it, the Tau are the technological version of the Tyranids. Tyranids adapt via biology whereas the Tau evolve technologically. Only thing is that Ultramar just happens to be a lot closer to the Tau Empire than we'd like. BUUUTTT, Calgar has been noted to admire and even worked with the Tau on occasions. That said, I'm pretty sure that with the Ultramarines and the Tau Empire on the Eastern Fringe, working together to make sure they survive, at least that small part of the galaxy would be safe.

I dunno about the "Kryptmann Gambit" (google it). I personally think the Orks would win out of sheer violence. They'd come out and think the IoM was "panzies" and attack the Nids straight up. Necrons? I think they'd go on a rampage and try and kill off everything.

As a Tau player, I think the Tau would rally a whole bunch of "lesser" races into their empire and probably fight the Nids to a standstill with the coordinated efforts of the Ultramarines.


The rest of the galaxy? Dunno. Good luck to Cadia. You better hold the line.......

Doombot001 wrote: BUUUTTT, Calgar has been noted to admire and even worked with the Tau on occasions.

Admire? No. The only instance of him working with the Tau was when their engagements woke a Necron Tomb and were forced to fight together. That temperory ceasefire extended until Calgar had the whole place blown up. There's little evidence to suggest that it goes any further than that.

I dunno about the "Kryptmann Gambit" (google it). I personally think the Orks would win out of sheer violence. They'd come out and think the IoM was "panzies" and attack the Nids straight up. Necrons? I think they'd go on a rampage and try and kill off everything.

They've tried that. Hive Fleet Leviathan crashed into the largest known Ork Empire (Orktavian Empire?). The resulting conflict was catastrophic and devastating, but ultimately the Tyranids pulled out far ahead.

If the Nids stripped a Ork filled planet of all biomass, will the Ork spores released still germinate?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Actually now that I think about it I think the Imperium does have terraforming machines. In the SW codex it talks about how Lucas disables the Climatrope which is an ancient STC that regulates a planets climate at around temperate levels. I'm not sure if every planet could have acces to them but that sounds like a form of Terraforming to me so it's possible.

Also what was said about how the Tau will probably develop psychic powers in the future. That is VERY VERY VERY unlikely to happen. I get that GW has a tendency to contradict their own fluff and change things but that's one of the cornerstones of the Tau fluff.

Only recently (past couple of million years) has humanity developed such an abundance in psykers. Slowly psykers are taking up a greater portion of the population. It doesn't take a great leap in logic to suggest that the same may, in time, occur to Tau. After all, they are not blanks, they do register in the warp faintly.

And this new breed of Tau shall be known as the Newtypes!

Fafnir wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Actually now that I think about it I think the Imperium does have terraforming machines. In the SW codex it talks about how Lucas disables the Climatrope which is an ancient STC that regulates a planets climate at around temperate levels. I'm not sure if every planet could have acces to them but that sounds like a form of Terraforming to me so it's possible.

Also what was said about how the Tau will probably develop psychic powers in the future. That is VERY VERY VERY unlikely to happen. I get that GW has a tendency to contradict their own fluff and change things but that's one of the cornerstones of the Tau fluff.

Only recently (past couple of million years) has humanity developed such an abundance in psykers. Slowly psykers are taking up a greater portion of the population. It doesn't take a great leap in logic to suggest that the same may, in time, occur to Tau. After all, they are not blanks, they do register in the warp faintly.

And this new breed of Tau shall be known as the Newtypes!

My god man, think of their Combat Suit Piloting abilities. How ever will we stop them?

Isn't it obvious? We'll drop a fething colony on them!

Oops..
Don't want to have one of those threads again.
Delete from your thoughts. Move along, nothing to see here.

BrotherStynier wrote:Orks also direct all their worship towards Gork and Mork, who in older books would gang up on Khorne.

Gork and Mork would kick him while he's down. I mean gork is brutal but cunning and mork is cunning but brutal. When mork hits you hard when you're not looking, gork hits you harder when you are.

50K:
"Grandpa, tell us again about when Warhammer models were plastic, and not recycled newspaper and corn starch"

Fafnir wrote:Isn't it obvious? We'll drop a fething colony on them!

You're right, the answer was staring me in the face the whole time. I trust you have the access codes to Axis right?

DEUS VULT wrote:To carry on with the theme, GW has a tendency to give Codex armies a fluff 'boost' if you will. Orks if united could conquer the galaxy and totally impose broken english on everyone. Tau advance at an uparalleled rate and are guided by a mysterious compelling force. Necrons are awakening in HUUUUUGE numbers and ZOMG hate life! Gigantic Tyranid hive fleets are only small scout forces of UBERHUGE hive fleet of DEATH.
Take it all with a 50lb bag of rocksalt.

Excatly, ever codex makes the army sound like it could beat everyone. The SM codex makes them sound like one chapter could defeat a 'nid fleet alone, the CSM makes them sound ,ike they should be abel to easily defeat any one, and so on and so forth, using only the codex's then it would be a giant tie between all the races and it would never end. If the story is going to advance then a lot of the fluff has to be tweaked a little to actually make it possible for someone to lose

Grass4hopper wrote:Why hasn't this happened to the Nids already?

The only way the nid story can make any kind of rational sense is if they were chewing on their last galaxy and decided to leave for ours sometime between when they had enough energy to be able to, and when they hit peak biomass (after which point, it would be too late to escape).

This means that the previous galaxy lost less than half of its biomass before the tyranid jumped over to a less depleted buffet table. In order for the tyranid to continue to survive, they will have to do the same thing again. This means that once the tyranid are done with their big feast, they will leave for what will then be a bigger one.

Tyranid will either go extinct in a malthusian holocaust, or they will simply pack up and leave once they're done with their meal, leaving a ravaged, but still very much existent galaxy behind them.

Actually, I seem to recall the Tyranid codex talking about how they may have entered into some kind of "hibernation" (not unlike Cryogenic Stasis) to conserve energy while they travel the distance between stars. Thus, it may explain the need for the first 3 Hive Fleets to smash into everything without too much organization or intelligence (why would they attack multiple races at once)?

And I predict the Emperor dying, and either at the same time or soon after, the Imperium hits that "Evolution change" the BGB talks about. Remember that the priests are unable to fix the issues in the Golden Throne.

Does it ever say what the problem with the golden thrne is?
For all we know it could simply be the windscreen wipers don't work or something similar.
The Emperor could be fine.

purplefood wrote:Does it ever say what the problem with the golden thrne is?
For all we know it could simply be the windscreen wipers don't work or something similar.
The Emperor could be fine.

Yeah, but its all speculation anyway. The Necrons could number a lot less than we thought, The Tyranid hive fleets the Imperium has encountered may be all thats left, yadda yadda yadda. Its all up to how GW wants to run things in the end. Speculation is useful only for funs sake.

Im sorry alot of you probably know how i stand on eldar and for those of you that don't ill tell ya. Eldar have bean through multiple apocalipses and wars. The have had thier planets taken over by chaos like no tomarow wiping 9/10 of thier population. They have bean poens of war to Old Slan. If anything they will be the only ones who know how to survive in that tipe of situation other wise amazing job

Eldrad wrote:Im sorry alot of you probably know how i stand on eldar and for those of you that don't ill tell ya. Eldar have bean through multiple apocalipses and wars. The have had thier planets taken over by chaos like no tomarow wiping 9/10 of thier population. They have bean poens of war to Old Slan. If anything they will be the only ones who know how to survive in that tipe of situation other wise amazing job

If they belive it is the end, they'll turn up just like any other race.

purplefood wrote:Does it ever say what the problem with the golden thrne is?
For all we know it could simply be the windscreen wipers don't work or something similar.
The Emperor could be fine.

It says...

986999.M41 - Tech Priests of the Adeptus Mechanius discover failures in the mechanisms of the Golden Throne that are far beyond their ability to repair.

I take that as "The Emperor is (expletive)".

For me, the timeline presented was fine up until the Emperor's miraculous rebirth. Honestly, I think it's all downhill for the Imperium from here on out.

TheRedArmy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Does it ever say what the problem with the golden thrne is?
For all we know it could simply be the windscreen wipers don't work or something similar.
The Emperor could be fine.

It says...

986999.M41 - Tech Priests of the Adeptus Mechanius discover failures in the mechanisms of the Golden Throne that are far beyond their ability to repair.

I take that as "The Emperor is (expletive)".

For me, the timeline presented was fine up until the Emperor's miraculous rebirth. Honestly, I think it's all downhill for the Imperium from here on out.

Yeah get that but it doesn't say what is wrong... more than likely some of the incredibly complicated life support systems.
But it could simply be a really complicated torch...

Yeah, it COULD be something useless, such as the Windshield Wipers (in your example earlier). But that's dull and cheesy even for GW's hard-on for Humanity.

TheRedArmy wrote:Yeah, it COULD be something useless, such as the Windshield Wipers (in your example earlier). But that's dull and cheesy even for GW's hard-on for Humanity.

Fair point the 40k universe does not like things turning out well.

In my honest opinion the Necrons should be the biggest threat not the Tyranids because Tyranids avoid Tomb Worlds because there is nothing to be gained there.
Couple that with the best ships and fastest FTL engine and nothing short of Emperor reborn or maybe united Orks can defeat them.

purplefood wrote:

TheRedArmy wrote:Yeah, it COULD be something useless, such as the Windshield Wipers (in your example earlier). But that's dull and cheesy even for GW's hard-on for Humanity.

Fair point the 40k universe does not like things turning out well.

Broken Windscreen wipers is not a happy ending. Plenty grimdark there.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

purplefood wrote:

TheRedArmy wrote:Yeah, it COULD be something useless, such as the Windshield Wipers (in your example earlier). But that's dull and cheesy even for GW's hard-on for Humanity.

Fair point the 40k universe does not like things turning out well.

Broken Windscreen wipers is not a happy ending. Plenty grimdark there.

Oh the humanity!

purplefood wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

purplefood wrote:

TheRedArmy wrote:Yeah, it COULD be something useless, such as the Windshield Wipers (in your example earlier). But that's dull and cheesy even for GW's hard-on for Humanity.

Fair point the 40k universe does not like things turning out well.

Broken Windscreen wipers is not a happy ending. Plenty grimdark there.

Oh the humanity!