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Planned go stay at friends, although the friend and his/her other friend are secretly murderers, they killed her

BAM case solved

joking aside, this case is really interesting i'm following it eagerly

There are a lot of ins-and-outs to keep straight in the old duder's head, man.

Kanluwen wrote:I think it was the FBI's "UCR"(Universal Crime Report, they do them every few years); but apparently there's something like a 75% chance that if you're going to be the victim of a violent crime; it will be someone you know and interact with on a daily basis. Of course, it could just be skewed numbers--but it's still kinda mindblowing to think that.

It makes sense though. Most murder victims are not the result of a random attack but of crimes of passion and angry conflicts that require people to be already acquainted. People worry about being stabbed by some gang in the street, statistically you're more likely to be killed by your partner. It's very much the case with child abuse, the media whip people into a terror over the possibility of a stranger snatching a child from the playground, but statistically such things are much more likely to committed by family members and friends who already know and have access to your children. The meaningless attack by a stranger is rare.

Mr Mystery wrote:Though why would she leave her flat without her keys? Or indeed her coat?

All adds to the mystery.

Two possibilities that spring to mind:
- she was being taken from her flat under duress
- she was with someone who had their own set of keys

Or 3, she forgot, is also a possibility.

The landlord has been arrested.

This would make all kinds of sense, primarily because he had access to the flat. Telling the police he saw three people leaving his building (one of which "may have been joanna") would be an obvious attempt to throw the police off the scent.

He looks dodgy too...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12092600

Flashman wrote:The landlord has been arrested.

This would make all kinds of sense, primarily because he had access to the flat. Telling the police he saw three people leaving his building (one of which "may have been joanna") would be an obvious attempt to throw the police off the scent.

He looks dodgy too...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12092600

Just saw the article.

Statistics win again, Its usually someone the victim knew.

the landlord has been arrested but not charged(so far).i hope this crime can be dealt with quickly for her family's sake.
i dont know why but this crime has really got to me but i feared she had been killed as soon as the news announced her disappearance.

The landlord just screams rapist/murder/paedophile/politician so i'm not surprised its him.

Landlord wrote:Creepy am I ?

I dunno, he looks physically weak. I mean, the dude is pretty old, and unless he's been keeping himself in good shape I doubt he could carry off a healthy woman and murder her just like that. Sure, he looks creepy, but so do lots of people.
Having said that, if she was somewhat inebriated, it may have been more possible for him to have done the deed.

You do know how easy it is to carry someone right? Firemans carry or even the ol wedding night carry makes it very easy to carry heavy people. I can over the should my brother the giant, its not easy, but he is twice my size. Trust me that guy could carry her with little problem.

Not to mention she knew him, I bet the guy said oh hey can you help me real quick? That would get her out of the apartment without her stuff easy enough, she probably didnt think anything of it seeing as she knew the guy.

It's easy provided you aren't an old dude. But yeah, I see what you mean.
Hmmm... I suppose it might be worth checking this guy's past, just to be sure. After all, as y'say, he presumably knew her very well.

He's certainly undergoing trial by media in the UK. The attorney general had to tell the newspapers to behave themselves yesterday in order to avoid prejudicing any trial that may or may not arise from these proceedings.

That and trial by media has spectacularly blown up in their faces in the past, the most notable being Colin Stagg who was fingered for the Wimbledon Common murder. He was hounded by the media who were convinced it was him because he matched the psycological profile that was drawn up. It was only a decade later that DNA finally proved who was actually responsible (Robert Napper). Cue lots of muttered apologies from the tabloid press.

He does have a certian " I have Bodies in my basement" look about him (course I've heard the same about me,so that proves nothing).

But he does look a bit to old to overpower a healthy young woman under normal circumstances.

FITZZ wrote: He does have a certian " I have Bodies in my basement" look about him (course I've heard the same about me,so that proves nothing).

But he does look a bit to old to overpower a healthy young woman under normal circumstances.

"hey could you help me with something?"

Sure let me just dump my stuff... *dumps stuff and walks into corridor only to be hit on the back of the head by the old man with a big lump of steel*

corpsesarefun wrote:

FITZZ wrote: He does have a certian " I have Bodies in my basement" look about him (course I've heard the same about me,so that proves nothing).

But he does look a bit to old to overpower a healthy young woman under normal circumstances.

"hey could you help me with something?"

Sure let me just dump my stuff... *dumps stuff and walks into corridor only to be hit on the back of the head by the old man with a big lump of steel*

He'd have to hit her pretty damn hard to knock her out. That and there'd be blood.
But yeah, actually, that's a fairly feasible method of kidnapping.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

FITZZ wrote: He does have a certian " I have Bodies in my basement" look about him (course I've heard the same about me,so that proves nothing).

But he does look a bit to old to overpower a healthy young woman under normal circumstances.

"hey could you help me with something?"

Sure let me just dump my stuff... *dumps stuff and walks into corridor only to be hit on the back of the head by the old man with a big lump of steel*

He'd have to hit her pretty damn hard to knock her out. That and there'd be blood.
But yeah, actually, that's a fairly feasible method of kidnapping.

That's true enough,did the police reports indicate any sort of blunt force trauma to her head?

FITZZ wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

FITZZ wrote: He does have a certian " I have Bodies in my basement" look about him (course I've heard the same about me,so that proves nothing).

But he does look a bit to old to overpower a healthy young woman under normal circumstances.

"hey could you help me with something?"

Sure let me just dump my stuff... *dumps stuff and walks into corridor only to be hit on the back of the head by the old man with a big lump of steel*

He'd have to hit her pretty damn hard to knock her out. That and there'd be blood.
But yeah, actually, that's a fairly feasible method of kidnapping.

That's true enough,did the police reports indicate any sort of blunt force trauma to her head?

ALTERNATIVE

"hey could you help me with something?"

Sure let me just dump my stuff... *dumps stuff and walks into landlords home where she gives him a hand moving some things*

"would you like a drink?"

Sure *proceeds to drink rohypnol infused water*

That's more likely. I imagine it will come up if an autopsy is performed.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:That's more likely. I imagine it will come up if an autopsy is performed.

You would be surprised how hard fully digested rohypnol is to trace... I would know

Landlord is out on bail now.

I'm not terribly convinced it's him. Seems a tad 'Poirot'?

Well hes either out because it wasnt him, or hes out because they have squat to prove its him

I think I'd go with the former, though it could be entirely possible he knows who did do it.

I know it's slightly ghoulish, but I am enjoying this particular murder mystery.

Well, it's nice to try your brains against a good puzzle, and there's no greater puzzle than a murder. You even get a feeling of being good, as you're trying to solve a crime.
Course, that might just be me.

Indeed.

I do wonder if it was the landlord. As I said earlier, somehow I'm not convinced. It's not like I have any knowledge of exactly why they arrested him like, but it's just a gut thing.

Mind you, I didn't think Ian Huntley did it either. So my instincts are clearly a little off.

What motive did the landlord have?

Call it a quaint notion but he’s innocent until proven guilty.

FITZZ wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

FITZZ wrote: He does have a certian " I have Bodies in my basement" look about him (course I've heard the same about me,so that proves nothing).

But he does look a bit to old to overpower a healthy young woman under normal circumstances.

"hey could you help me with something?"

Sure let me just dump my stuff... *dumps stuff and walks into corridor only to be hit on the back of the head by the old man with a big lump of steel*

He'd have to hit her pretty damn hard to knock her out. That and there'd be blood.
But yeah, actually, that's a fairly feasible method of kidnapping.

That's true enough,did the police reports indicate any sort of blunt force trauma to her head?

Strangled not bashed upside the head.

Yea but even a gangly old fella can strangle someone with a phone cord or similar. Besides when you do kill someone, specially like that, youd get such a rush from it, lugging a woman around would be rather easy. Really though, I want to know where the hell that pizza went. MAYBE she was having an affair with the old bugger, she ate it with him, and then wanted to break it off, so he strangled her.

Very soap opera I know, but weird things happen

Having an affair with Doc Brown there? Unlikely. It's possible that sex was a motive, though; frustrated, perhaps, by rejection, the guy could conceivably have committed murder.

Law & Order: Dakka Dakka Unit

Manchu wrote:Law & Order: Dakka Dakka Unit

Still more enjoyable than the ones that are actually on television.