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It always amuses me how those who cry outrage at CCTV camera's are also the ones who moan about politicians not being transparent.

Did the police check the trash bins outside the woman's residence?
Could be that she arrived at her home,cooked and ate the pizza,cleaned up,went outside to quickly toss the trash in a bin and was at that point abducted.

In the school I work at CCTV, since being installed in September, has allowed us to prove conclusively that two pupils released a firework in the playground, prove the innocence of child who we were certain had lit a fire in the boys toilets, allowed us to find out who set off the fire alarm several times, who set off a fire extinguisher on the corridor and allowed me to prove that a girl was bullying another pupil. Me, I'm a fan of CCTV.

Oh, and I'm glad to see how flippant some of you are about the girl who was murdered.

corpsesarefun wrote:It always amuses me how those who cry outrage at CCTV camera's are also the ones who moan about politicians not being transparent.

It always terrifies me how the people who genuinely like CCTV cameras spout such dangerous rhetoric as "if you dont like people seeing what you are doing you obviously have something to hide."

First off, existing in public space has nothing to do with getting paid by the public to do work in a governmental body. I employ the government via taxes. I should know as much about what they're doing as my employer would want to know about me. Second off, the CCTV cameras are not transparent themselves, which is something that bugs me too. Last but not least, this is dragging the entire thread off topic. This thread was supposed to be about someone getting murdered, not CCTV.

Fifty wrote:Oh, and I'm glad to see how flippant some of you are about the girl who was murdered.

Well, not to be a but what do you want us all to do? Roam the halls weeping and wailing? Though the loss is indeed a terrible thing, and the person or persons responsible are morally disgusting, I hardly think a little gallows humour will hurt anyone. Seriously, nobody here thinks murder is a little thing.

A little decorum might be in order, is all.

It's kind of hard to joke about a Pizza when someone has been murdered in such a manner. I think this thread was started in bad taste.

The world is a depressing place with millions dying daily, humour keeps you going through the worst.

daedalus wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:It always amuses me how those who cry outrage at CCTV camera's are also the ones who moan about politicians not being transparent.

It always terrifies me how the people who genuinely like CCTV cameras spout such dangerous rhetoric as "if you dont like people seeing what you are doing you obviously have something to hide."

First off, existing in public space has nothing to do with getting paid by the public to do work in a governmental body. I employ the government via taxes. I should know as much about what they're doing as my employer would want to know about me. Second off, the CCTV cameras are not transparent themselves, which is something that bugs me too. Last but not least, this is dragging the entire thread off topic. This thread was supposed to be about someone getting murdered, not CCTV.

Serves Insurance Claims well to boot. As I can actually prove it was the other driver being a tosspot, not our's.

I am thinking that the Yard has a better grasp on things than the reporters in this case.

"Flat" means apartment, yes? one with other residents?
Coat, phone, etc all in her place but no pizza.
Body found 3 miles from her residence......
No-one coming forward as seeing her, or helping eat the pizza..... it is probably some-one living in the same building.

Of course the coroner would know if she actually ate the pizza and what else she ingested since the camera caught her at the store.

Apparently she was still alive when she was dumped...

I'm wondering if seeing as she was walking home from the pub after a few drinks , someone from her group at the pub pulled up, offered her a ride, she got in, she was knocked unconscious, dumped on that lane, the driver went to her place and dropped off her keys and all that but kept the pizza. I'm thinking the killer did all of this to cover their tracks. And so far, it seems to be working. If she didn't eat the pizza, than there is a good chance she never made it home at all.

They need to call in Cracker for this one.

First point - she bought the pizza at tescos. She would have had her purse with her (so obviously keys as well).

Maybe she heated the pizza, and then went commited suicide by overnight stay outside because she thought her boyfriend was cheating on her? obviously because keys and purse inside the house was an indication that she wasn't planning on going back inside.

I think that all the signs point to the possibility that she was murdered by someone that she knew. It's likely that she made it home from Tesco, then cooked and ate the pizza. It would be interesting to see more evidence for this, mind. Was there a used plate in the sink? Was the pizza box in the bin? Was the door to the flat locked? That could prove interesting. If it was unlocked then chances are, she answered the door to someone she knew, and that person either lured her outside, or incapacitated her in the flat.

Signs of a struggle? That would help. She could have been drugged, mind. Rohypnol would be my best guess - it would be worth testing the drinking glasses in the flat, although if it was me, I would have taken the used ones with me, along with any spent wine bottles.

Y'know, it would be a great idea to 'crowd-source' murder investigations, if it could be made to work. Making the evidence available, and harnessing the analytical skills of a large group of people could be pretty effective at solving crimes.

Seems she was strangled according to the latest.


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My money is still on the boyfriend meself. Quite easy to come home after the weekend away, give her a good old strangle, dump the body, then report her 'missing'.

I dunno. I'm just suspicious like that.

Then again he's a witness and not a suspect

Yes, the boyfriend is officially not a suspect. As suggested before, being 140 miles away at the presumed time of the murder is a fairly solid allaby.

@ Albatross - Yes, it would be interesting to see more of the facts purely for having a stab at figuring it out. However, keeping some facts of the murder secret is how they weed out the suspects i.e. How did you know that? We never released that information to the press...

So on the news she was strangled to death. Guess it was foul play.

The Guardian wrote:Although in public police insist they are keeping an open mind over whether Yeates knew her killer, privately officers think it more likely that the murderer was a friend or an acquaintance.

Well duh!

Presumably, the autopsy would have been able to prove conclusively if she had eaten the pizza or not.

That info has not hitherto been release to the press.

Not that ironclad:

He travelled back to Bristol then reported her missing she could have been alive up until the point he came home.

Call it probable.

Method of transport - trains were fubared. He'd have to drive... car + CCTV = fail?

I think that all the signs point to the possibility that she was murdered by someone that she knew. It's likely that she made it home from Tesco, then cooked and ate the pizza. It would be interesting to see more evidence for this, mind. Was there a used plate in the sink? Was the pizza box in the bin? Was the door to the flat locked? That could prove interesting. If it was unlocked then chances are, she answered the door to someone she knew, and that person either lured her outside, or incapacitated her in the flat.

SOCO will have checked all of that if they're doing their job properly.

Basically assuming the receipt is the same and it is actually the purse she had with her in tesco, then she went there and left with the pizza.

No sign of a struggle implies one of three things - nothing happened there, she let in someone she knew (work colleague), or ninja assassin (as in didn't leave much evidence behind)

The logistics of getting the body to the location must also be taken into account. There is a bridge with CCTV... hard to drag a corpse over it.

My guess would be that she arranged to meet with someone, brought the pizza, things got kinky/psycho and went wrong. There is no mention of any sort of sexual trauma (or lack thereof) whcih I find interesting... pretty girl, strangled... it would be my first thought.

I've actually gotten into this case for some reason. I think it is a drag that the coppers haven't said if there were any dishes in the sink or whatever because the pizza angle is driving me crazy. Maybe I'm just hungry.

As Phototoxin said, transport was too much of an issue with the Boyfriend...that we know about. Is it possible there was another, more sinister, secret boyfriend? A lot of people have stuff on the side and it never comes to light. It is a possibility.

I wonder if they've deduced whether the lane was the scene of the murder or whether she was dumped there. Either way, you'd think someone would've notice a struggle or some one dragging a body from a car or whatever.

Albatross wrote:I think that all the signs point to the possibility that she was murdered by someone that she knew. It's likely that she made it home from Tesco, then cooked and ate the pizza. It would be interesting to see more evidence for this, mind. Was there a used plate in the sink? Was the pizza box in the bin? Was the door to the flat locked? That could prove interesting. If it was unlocked then chances are, she answered the door to someone she knew, and that person either lured her outside, or incapacitated her in the flat.

I think it was the FBI's "UCR"(Universal Crime Report, they do them every few years); but apparently there's something like a 75% chance that if you're going to be the victim of a violent crime; it will be someone you know and interact with on a daily basis. Of course, it could just be skewed numbers--but it's still kinda mindblowing to think that.

Signs of a struggle? That would help. She could have been drugged, mind. Rohypnol would be my best guess - it would be worth testing the drinking glasses in the flat, although if it was me, I would have taken the used ones with me, along with any spent wine bottles.

Rohpynol degrades pretty quickly in both organic and nonorganic instances, not to mention it dilutes well with...pretty much everything. It's why it's so commonly used, even though it's well known.

Y'know, it would be a great idea to 'crowd-source' murder investigations, if it could be made to work. Making the evidence available, and harnessing the analytical skills of a large group of people could be pretty effective at solving crimes.

Yeaaaaaaaaahhh...I don't think that would work at all

It could work if you're an ex-forensic scientist, ex-detective, or just brilliant ;-)

Yes information from the PM about the stomach contents would shed light on the mystery pizza issue. I thought GHB was preferred to rohypnol in the UK?

Kanluwen wrote:

Y'know, it would be a great idea to 'crowd-source' murder investigations, if it could be made to work. Making the evidence available, and harnessing the analytical skills of a large group of people could be pretty effective at solving crimes.

Yeaaaaaaaaahhh...I don't think that would work at all

Look up 'Goldcorp' and 'crowd-sourcing'. It's very effective if applied properly.

I think that could be an interesting method of solving crimes, I would do it

also it's slightly disturbing that you lot seem more foucued on finding the pizza

The BBC are reporting that she may have been spotted on CCTV leaving her flat with two people.

Also, I heard that she was still alive when she was dumped in the lane.

I always feel so bad for victims when you find out they were alive when dumped. God that would be the worst feeling ever, knowing your going to just die there. Id rather it be over quickly personally.

So she was only half strangled and left to freeze...

Basically the pizza will tell us if she ate something. We don't have all the details so we're speculating really.

Landlord says he saw three people leave the building where her flat is and one of them 'may have been the girl in question'.

It's a bit odd this didn't come out earlier. I presume the police have known this for a while. Bearing in mind they'll want other eye witness accounts to corroborate what the landlord saw, it would have been better when it was fresh in people's minds.

Though why would she leave her flat without her keys? Or indeed her coat?

All adds to the mystery.