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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 03:09:58
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 03:15:30
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That was a fairly messed up movie.
What's more messed up is it fits MORE into teenage sex mentality now then it did when it was made.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 03:30:01
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Why are there so many links in here?!
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After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 03:31:16
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
United Kingdom
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Too paranoid now to click on any linkys in case I end up on the FBI's most wanted list, or get Ricked, which is possibly worse! Maybe the "honey pot" means direction to a Winnie the Pooh webpage. Or is that just to entice furries?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:02:12
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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So basically if /b/ gets a hold of one of these fake links they'll be able to get more to go to /b/ by accident?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:03:05
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Too paranoid now to click on any linkys in case I end up on the FBI's most wanted list, or get Ricked, which is possibly worse!
Maybe the "honey pot" means direction to a Winnie the Pooh webpage. Or is that just to entice furries?
Furry pedophiles?! I'm sure someone does that. It's like my old boss used to say, "There's a fetish for everything." It's best not to dwell on that statement.
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Read my story at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:06:09
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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A fetish for everything? What about watermelons covered in fluffernutter while molesting a newly made table painted to look like Adolf Hitler? Automatically Appended Next Post: You know what, I found one of the fake links. Here it is for my fellow dakkaites to avoid.
www.FIBporn.org
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:13:05
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Fixture of Dakka
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halonachos wrote:A fetish for everything?
What about watermelons covered in fluffernutter while molesting a newly made table painted to look like Adolf Hitler?
And what is exactly wrong with "Fluffy Melon Hitables"?!?
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"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:16:29
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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alarmingrick wrote:halonachos wrote:A fetish for everything?
What about watermelons covered in fluffernutter while molesting a newly made table painted to look like Adolf Hitler?
And what is exactly wrong with "Fluffy Melon Hitables"?!?
I'm sorry if I offended.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:16:42
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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halonachos wrote:A fetish for everything?
What about watermelons covered in fluffernutter while molesting a newly made table painted to look like Adolf Hitler?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
You know what, I found one of the fake links. Here it is for my fellow dakkaites to avoid.
www.FIBporn.org
possibly nsfw comment
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Read my story at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:21:10
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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You know what the FBI is targeting the wrong guy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 10:07:48
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
United Kingdom
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I was right about the Winnie the Pooh thing afterall!
Although I thought Tiggers don't like ikky sticky stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 10:49:36
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
University of St. Andrews
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Oh....oh god my eyes. They burn every time I see that picture.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/01/31 10:51:28
"If everything on Earth were rational, nothing would ever happen."
~Fyodor Dostoevsky
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
~Hanlon's Razor
707th Lubyan Aquila Banner Motor Rifle Regiment (6000 pts)
Battlefleet Tomania (2500 pts)
Visit my nation on Nation States!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 12:24:47
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:The FBI has started to create false hyperlinks advertising child pornography which when clicked on will lead the user to a "child pornography site" although no site actually exists. Once the user has entered the site (which has nothing but gibberish) their IP is recorded by a FBI controlled computer which will then lead to the ascertaining of further information about the IPs owner, simply clicking on the link to the site is considered intent to commit a crime with the crime being viewing child pornography.
Now the links aren't created so people can be (initially) charged with viewing child pornography (how can you be charged with viewing it if the site dosen't have any) instead the "evidence" of intent to commit a crime is enough to recieve a warrant for search and seizure. This allows the FBI to search your home to see if you actually have child pornography (if you are searching for it on the web chances are you're going to have it personally) which you will then face charges for.
The problem with this however is that while the hyperlinks created by the FBI are usually planted into sites known for trading child pornography these hyperlinks can be copied and formatted to say something entirely differant then what their contents contain. For example if you where to recieve a email in your spam folder with a hyperlink that says "Gods Paintings" and you, thinking of those countless landscape paintings that are actually photographs click the link to see them, could actually be taken to a fake FBI site where you will be classified as attempting to commit a crime.
Now this dosen't mean that the FBI is sending out emails like this but there are hackers or just malicious people who would do it for kicks. There is also a HUGE possibility of clicking one of these links on accident through various means be it that the link was put into a site where it shoulden't be (say a childs learning page) by hackers, or there is simply the ignorance of the young who may not know any better or whose curiosity may over ride their common sense at such a young age.
Another issue with this is that there is no way to prove who actually clicked the link. If multiple people live in one house and they all use the same computer is the FBI going to prosecute them all for the actions of one? And then there is the ever present IP "borrowing" where someone with Wifi (say on a laptop) in one house can click the link but their web service (and the Ip provided) is being taken from their neighbor.
Many have criticisized this procedure as entrapment but by the legal deffinition of entrapment this is incorrect as no one (members of the government or police) is forcing the suspect to click on the link. Also keep in mind that while age of consent may vary from state to state under law anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child, so where someone to have pictures of say a naked 16 year old that does not reasonibly serve any medical, scientific or artistic purpose when these "raids" happen then they could be charged with having child pornography.
So Dakka? What do we thing about this type of sting being used by our governemt? Personally I think it would be a good idea if it didn't have so much potential to "frame" someone who is innocent and shoulden't deserve any of the attention or prosecution they would recieve. There are so many reasons why someone who has no intention of searching for, viewing or partaking in child pornography would click on one of these links and while if they don't have any child pornography (or other illegal items) they have nothing to worry about should the FBI or police raid their house. But at the same time they shoulden't have been raided in the first place.
Sounds like a plan.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 16:07:14
Subject: Re:FBI baits web with Chold Porn "honey pots"
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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Mr. Burning wrote:This seems like a better use of resources:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12298870
The US agents tracking down sex tourists in Cambodia
s part of an initiative to protect children from sexual predators, including those who travel overseas, special US agents operating in South East Asia have brought more than 80 alleged child sex tourists back to America to face justice.
America really scares me sometimes. I agree that hunting down these parasites is a noble cause. What about other countries with more relaxed age of consent laws? What about countries which are more liberal with drug laws? Hyperbole, sure, but how can you drag someone for sentencing in a country different to where the crime was committed? The principle of 'No one will care if I bury the terrorist/paedo/estate agent in the desert' only applies as far as you trust the agency who decides who gets targeted.
Sounds a lot like extraordinary rendition over again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 16:09:19
Subject: Re:FBI baits web with Chold Porn "honey pots"
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Soup and a roll wrote:Mr. Burning wrote:This seems like a better use of resources:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12298870
The US agents tracking down sex tourists in Cambodia
s part of an initiative to protect children from sexual predators, including those who travel overseas, special US agents operating in South East Asia have brought more than 80 alleged child sex tourists back to America to face justice.
America really scares me sometimes. I agree that hunting down these parasites is a noble cause. What about other countries with more relaxed age of consent laws? What about countries which are more liberal with drug laws? Hyperbole, sure, but how can you drag someone for sentencing in a country different to where the crime was committed? The principle of 'No one will care if I bury the terrorist/paedo/estate agent in the desert' only applies as far as you trust the agency who decides who gets targeted.
Sounds a lot like extraordinary rendition over again.
Its for the US, why would we give a  about other countries?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 16:14:16
Subject: Re:FBI baits web with Chold Porn "honey pots"
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Soup and a roll wrote:America really scares me sometimes. I agree that hunting down these parasites is a noble cause. What about other countries with more relaxed age of consent laws? What about countries which are more liberal with drug laws? Hyperbole, sure, but how can you drag someone for sentencing in a country different to where the crime was committed? The principle of 'No one will care if I bury the terrorist/paedo/estate agent in the desert' only applies as far as you trust the agency who decides who gets targeted.
Sounds a lot like extraordinary rendition over again.
While you are eating your soup and roll, consider the fact that EVEN IN THOSE COUNTRIES BORKING A 10 YEAR OLD IS ILLEGAL. We aren't talking about arresting people in other countries that aren't breaking that countries laws, and the article never talked about doing for drug related instances. Did you read the article even? In the case of the article, it is specific to an area in which we were invited to help deal with a country that has both an easily corrupted system and a reputation as being a pedophiles playground. The decent people living there and in the government know this and would probably like a different reputation so they need help to deal with this serious problem.
Perhaps reading the article would have kept you from acting like the CIA was kidnapping college students in Amsterdam for smoking some marijuana.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 16:31:13
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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And perhaps you should calm down Ahtman, you have no idea if he read it or not and he may very well have missunderstood it.
It is true that anyone from any country who has enternet can click on the links but the FBI would not be dealing with it themselves but would hand the case off to the proper authorities in the relevant country as most countries do take a very strict standing on child pornography.
I would also like to ask members reading this not to post links that aren't relevant to the discussion (links to articles about the topic are ok, unsetteling pictures and links to joke about if people are paranoid now not so much  ) or to post pictures like the one above which is just gross  this isn't a subject to discuss pedophiles, sex offenders or any kind of fetish. It's about the various aspects of this method being used by the FBI, thank you
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 16:55:52
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:And perhaps you should calm down Ahtman, you have no idea if he read it or not and he may very well have missunderstood it.
Than the proper response is to say "I don't understand", not to build a strawman and damning a country on false information. It wasn't a hard article to read, it gave all the information necessary to not come to the conclusion that America was kidnapping people. Almost everything in the post was not in the article, and would be difficult to come up with if the article had been, ya know, read. There is a huge difference between working with other governments to curb pedophilia and 'rendition' and to try and equate the two is both factually unsound and intentionally misleading.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 17:00:18
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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It's a reasonable idea, I think. But any actual pedophile (if you could call them that) is quite aware that no such websites exist, so I doubt the more serious ones would even be found through this system.
They'll probably catch people who are just bored on the internet  But I guess it's a good idea to keep tabs on these people, so if nothing else, they'll build a big list of IPs.
I'm interested to see how this goes...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 17:38:39
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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Is the FBI kidnapping people when they move in to take a person from harm? Its called extraction and even though its like kidnapping there is a big difference, one difference being that one is done for the good of the community and the other isn't. Now, don't go off on saying that kidnapping a person for a human sacrifice may be good for the community and all of that mumbo jumbo/jibba jabba, be realistic in your counter. The FBI is taking these pedophiles away because they are committing an illegal act, not because they're just sitting at the beach drinking Dos Equis peacefully.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 17:44:41
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Samus_aran115 wrote:It's a reasonable idea, I think. But any actual pedophile (if you could call them that) is quite aware that no such websites exist, so I doubt the more serious ones would even be found through this system.
They'll probably catch people who are just bored on the internet  But I guess it's a good idea to keep tabs on these people, so if nothing else, they'll build a big list of IPs.
I'm interested to see how this goes...
What do you mean no website exists? that the links don't actually lead to a child porn site? that's not exactly how it works, it isn't like it's an advertisement for an actual website. In one of the examples I saw the link was supposed to lead to a video of an 8 year old having sex with her father. It dosen't say what website it would take you to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 17:45:22
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
Georgia,just outside Atlanta
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halonachos wrote:Is the FBI kidnapping people when they move in to take a person from harm? Its called extraction and even though its like kidnapping there is a big difference, one difference being that one is done for the good of the community and the other isn't.
Now, don't go off on saying that kidnapping a person for a human sacrifice may be good for the community and all of that mumbo jumbo/jibba jabba, be realistic in your counter. The FBI is taking these pedophiles away because they are committing an illegal act, not because they're just sitting at the beach drinking Dos Equis peacefully.
It's not the removal of pedophiles I have a problem with,remove them and burn them alive IMO,what I take issue with is the manner in which the FBI is going about in removing them and the possibility of innocent people stumbling onto these "trip wires".
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"I'll tell you one thing that every good soldier knows! The only thing that counts in the end is power! Naked merciless force!" .-Ursus.
 I am Red/Black Take The Magic Dual Colour Test - Beta today! <small>Created with Rum and Monkey's Personality Test Generator.</small>I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 17:51:10
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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I was talking about them going to a foreign country, as far as the computer thing goes I believe that they should only get a warrant to let them take the hard drive and if something is on the hard drive then get the sick freak.
I think(note I said think and not know) that this is how it works in most cases of computer crimes.
If the poor guy is innocent and just happened to click the wrong thing then he should be compensated for the time the FBI had the computer and any damages to the hard drive if damage occurs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 17:52:04
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I'm sure they've gone out of their way to make it so it's something that one would actively have to search for the material to hit the tripwire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 17:53:40
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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Make something idiot proof and someone will invent a bigger idiot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 18:03:23
Subject: FBI baits web with Child Porn "honey pots"
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
Georgia,just outside Atlanta
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halonachos wrote:Make something idiot proof and someone will invent a bigger idiot.
Basically this..., as much as I would like to hope that the FBI would attempt to set up these "traps" so as to only ensnare those actively searching for child porn,the possibility of people clicking a baited link accidently and seriously fething up their lives is a concern.
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"I'll tell you one thing that every good soldier knows! The only thing that counts in the end is power! Naked merciless force!" .-Ursus.
 I am Red/Black Take The Magic Dual Colour Test - Beta today! <small>Created with Rum and Monkey's Personality Test Generator.</small>I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 18:08:46
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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:It's a reasonable idea, I think. But any actual pedophile (if you could call them that) is quite aware that no such websites exist, so I doubt the more serious ones would even be found through this system.
They'll probably catch people who are just bored on the internet  But I guess it's a good idea to keep tabs on these people, so if nothing else, they'll build a big list of IPs.
I'm interested to see how this goes...
What do you mean no website exists? that the links don't actually lead to a child porn site? that's not exactly how it works, it isn't like it's an advertisement for an actual website. In one of the examples I saw the link was supposed to lead to a video of an 8 year old having sex with her father. It dosen't say what website it would take you to.
I guess I'm saying that a pedophile would be smart enough to avoid something so boldly claiming to be CP. Real CP isn't on dedicated websites, and they know that. I mean, these people aren't idiots. They know how to hide their IPs, they know how to check websites before actually clicking them, and they know how to avoid 'honey pots' in the first place.
Most of the people they catch will be small time. Bored teenagers on the internet. Older men who pose no threat. Boring people. The real threats are the people uploading CP in the first place. That's who they're after the most, I think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 18:09:39
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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Yeah, but there are ways to ensure that the lives of the people who click the links won't be totally fethed.
They need to make sure that they have those in place before the links though because if Joe Schmoe loses his job because he was lonely one saturday nigt and accidentally clicked a link its a bad system.
Like I said they should take the computer and only the computer, look through it, and then decide whether or not the guy should be in jail. I also think that the legal system prevents them from adding a charge if they're searching for child porn and only find illegally downloaded movies IIRC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 18:14:15
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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No one is being kidnapped. The local LEOs are arresting the suspects. If they are American ICE are having them handed over directly to them to ship back to the US to face charges. ICE also helps the local LEOs with any investigation. It is still the country that is doing the detainment. All that has happened is that, generally speaking, they have streamlined the extradition process.
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